CaliSoxFanViaSWside

He was burning service time while injured with TJ surgery. He was also injured frequently before TJ surgery. TJ surgery might've turned his career around. Recovery workouts turned him into a beast. He was just bigger and stronger when he had his unexpected breakout. The path he eventually got on couldn't have worked out much better for him. There's no way to predict if alternate paths get him to how good he is now any earlier.

Theres 2 for sure Acuna and Baldwin. You still have Kelenic, Pereira, Hill and Peters also.

He's Batman.

And he will get at least 1 HBP.

I wonder what the Dodgers would give up for Skubal ?

🤣 It's not like a hot tub jet or a firehose.

So the scuttlebutt's basically he's not a good dude.

Kind of late in the game to be waiting on Valdez. Too many guys, not enough suitors with good offers for a lot of them. Just look at what Suarez had to take and he hit 49 bombs last year. Lots of lower contracts coming for teams with money left to spend.

When Veneable was asked about a breakout guy he said Baldwin. He also loves Vargas as a clubhouse/great team mate guy.

Technically ,if you pay attention to Lip, it'll be his son's selling the team after JR passes away. And I have always believed that to be true based on what @Lip Man 1 has said. Ishbia is suppossed to get controlling interest between 2029 and 2034. What happens if JR is still around after the 2034 season ends ? He'd be well into his 98th year by that point. And what if his sons decide not to sell the Sox ?

That's a good idea. Would make. it convenient to check. I could actully go to his home games if I really wanted to.

Honestly the lengths some these guys go through to bash Getz or people hired by him is borderline libel or slander and malicious . The other one being that Bannister/Katz were somehow responsible for all the TJ surgeries last year. Only on Soxtalk do you find these things.

The things wrong with it at the time was that once it failed , which was only 6 months when the rebuild started , keeping Tatis likely happens. Then there's Preller vs Hahn. Preller was a guy who understood the value of an athletic SS especially one with bloodlines and Hahn was not if you look at his drafts after the rebuild started. But the Sox were clueless to what other GMs already knew. In the drafts since Getz 1st year as Asst. GM to now 3 of the 5 top picks have been SS and likely will be 4 out of 6 next year. I know that's the difference between Hostetler and Shirley but it's also a difference in organization philosophy that's continued under Getz. I doubt Hostetler or Shirley had complete autonomy on draft day . It seems more likely to me that Hahn or KW were more likely to overule a decision than Getz is based on Getz allowing more people a voice in the process. Getz didnt hire Shirley but he's hired more people concerned with data, signing ,drafting & development.

And before that in Dec 2014 traded Semien and Bassitt for 1 year of Samardzija. Then after Samardzija failed they doubled down with Tatis for Shield in June 2016. Then a mere 6 months years later figured maybe we wouldve been better off not trading our youth for pitchers. So they rebuild. But instead of selling off our good players for SS's or drafting more HS players ,who did we get ? Cease, Eloy, Moncada, Kopech, Vaughn, Burger, Collins, Madrigal. Not a lot of athletes in that group. 2020 was Crochet. It wasnt until 2021 that they took Montgomery which was Getz 1st year as Asst. GM .

The difference between the ladt rebuild and this one is drastic. The last one the buzz phrase was "mired in mediocrity". Fans understood that and saw the logic that being stuck in the middle isnt good. But that rebuild collasped.It was a house of cards built on an extremely unstable foundation . It wobbled for 1 .500 season before it imploded completely. Bam ! right back in another rebuild. No "sustained success" the other buzzwords of a better future. Fan were in shock. Recovery is slow and also wobbly . Injuries , sophomore slumps, FA implosions are all possibilties when dealing with a wide range of possible outcomes. Sure Getz has tried to move up from dumpster diving to trusting those he hired and his vision to keep taking steps forward but ss we learned last time counting on upside progresd is a sliperry slope without depth. I think that why Getz doesnt trade Sosa , Quero or Taylor like some fans suggest . He's still building depth and he doesnt want to trade off a Semien or a Tatis Jr. There still maybe snother trade coming. He could trade Sosa tomorrow for all I know. But there are an awful lot of FA SP still on the market. Maybe there's someone else he's got his eye on. Don't think its possible but there would be an uproar if they could snag Verlander even at his advanced age.

But all diehards dig into everything anyway. Look at how many people post about who gets DFA'd from the bottom of the 40 man . We' re not the only fans who do that . Afterall it is a rebuild and yeah we're pissdd about how that last rebuild turned so bad so fast that we changed our attitudes about this rebuild completely from the last one. But anyway I like the way you explained it much better this time .

This is very fair. But I o think the national media just puts it in the context of there's not much money available from our lame duck owner. Some media will point it out others dont and kind of assume it's implied.

This is pretty funny sarcasm even if you ignore the fact that many many here were telling us what a toxic environment existed in the front office and now refuse to recognize that there's been considerable improvement in the work environment for both players and management because there are more employees with defined roles and communication and information . You act as if that's a bad thing .

It's almost like someone was in such a hurry to stir up more controversy that they didn't read the actual article with the correct grade. Eyes wide shut.

Getting all European on us . Much better than running the TP under the faucet . 🤣

Have I ever said you cant be critical ? I have said open your eyes thats all just as you asked me to keep in mind the team was at the bottom in 2024 and take 2025 with a grain of salt and I assured you that I took that into consideration.

Oh I do and I also know its an uphill battle without much of a playroll so you have to keep that in mind. Last years Pythagorean victory total was 71 wins. Someone correct me if I'm remembering that wrong. 2024 the Pythagoresn victory total was also higher and some people used that to bet on the over and make money. The line this year is 65.5 wins . It'll probably be higher before opening day barring another rash of TJ injuries or something equally catastrophic.

But he wasn't so maybe start seeing what he's doing instead of what you think should have been done because he was a pawn in a toxic and backwards power structure. Hes still a pawn of JR but building a foundation to build a better workplace to enable the people he hired to have a voice is good. We are seeing coaches and administrators all over podcasts now. Didn't see much of that before. And they all seem to be singing the same song about believing in what we're doing and trying to build a winning environment and supporting these fine young men.

The term victory lap was applied to the people praising Getz so it was the anti Getz doing the poking at the opposite side. We can have our opinions without denigrading opposite opinions .No GM is perfect and many things are out of his control. Hes tried to build an infrastuture to carty the team foward into the next owner based on empowering everyone with information. Sdems rather noble to me. Theres a kind of harmony throughout the organization now that has a lot to do the purity of being genuinely positive and caring about building something. A lot of people are starting to see that and they feel good about it. It isnt just the Rick and Kenny Show. A similar improvement to last year will get the Sox within spitting distance of .500. Step by step rebuild ,still without much of a player payroll.

Its like any other hot topic so who you want to censor now.Only you are allowed your opinion ?