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The Sox will let Kopech go around 30 innings past his previous high unless they think he is showing obvious signs of fatigue or has more soreness than usual. That's building innings and arm strength.

I've been thinking of posting something about him missing lately too. I hope the guy is ok .

Internet tough guy ? I didn't say much except keep reading. I thought you may have been talking to anyone who was still reading the thread since it was after the game was over that you asked the question. My bad if you are so sensitive . Excuse me for informing you where you could find what you missed. Next time I will let others help you.

Yes you did, especially if you had just continued reading the thread after the post you quoted.

What does FG know they say Cease is a reliever

Probably so but terrible timing if you are trying to trade the guy. Vieira was rested . He couldn't have done much worse then Shields for the 1.2 innings too long he was left in.

They were gaining too much ground on the Tigers lately . Don't wanna pass them up.

Boy this was a tank game all the way from the lineup to leaving Shields in so long to letting the lefties rot on the bench.

Yes you could you . You know you love to respond to those kind of posts

Both him and Gio Gonzales we traded . Would be pretty kooky to get them both back again as FA .

I'm usually not so critical but almost every time I typed something today the Sox do good. Rondon hits a 2 run HR after i see AVi hit into a DP and i wrote my previous post. But Big Lame James didn't let me down at least.

You know its bad when Engel and LaMarre are your best hitter on the day and Big Lame James if left in to rot on the vine in possibly his last chance to nab a bag of balls for him.

LOl Engel just shut me up

And no Delmonico or Palka to PH for Engel ?

Stupid Sox . No way should Shields have been out there in the 7th. Take the decent 6 innings and leave it at that especially when you are trying to move the guy. Sorry meant 6th and 5 and even after 3 HR's he's still in there for the 7th.

I'm not saying he sucks out there but he doesn't have much speed and there are no glowing reports on his defense . They all say he is pretty much just OK out there . Then you add in the fact he will fill out and get slower plus the fact the Sox has some very good defensive talent in other outfield prospects who if they pan out become much more likely to play the OF than Eloy. I can see Eloy playing OF for 1 or 2 years but after that I have my doubts. Lilian started the whole 1st base thing i think and Parkman is the one who says he sucks out there ( sorry Parkman if it isn't you) .

Damnit Avi if you can't destroy lefties like you used too what good are you ? Get it together.

Just speed alone doesnt but speed and defense does and the injury history and the fact he is still in the minors. Just my opinion too early to offer him an extention based on his hitting alone. Different eras when teams weren't as conscious about the ramifications of offering guys long term deals based on what they had previously accomplished and paying for down side of careers. Many expected JD to get much bigger offers but not being a great 2 way player limited what he eventually got,

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But only really had 1 team offer him that. He was pursued without much vigor. He's the best comp for Eloy and he had a few years in the majors before he really figured it out.

Again using an example of a great 2 way player with speed.

You mean like Gordan Beckham ? ANd hundreds of others who ended up flashes in the proverbial pans.

Eaton and TA both had speed and much of Eaton's great season with us was on defense. Speed defense and hitting got the Sox a lot of value back for Eaton but Eaton knew he had a bad injury history and that's played out since he was traded. TA also has speed. not as much hit tool as Eaton slightly above average defense but less injuries. OBP not good. So again pretty good on both sides of the ball. I know how great it is to think we could have another Frank Thomas as a hitter but how likely is that ? Still have to weigh the hit and power tools against the defense and run tools plus some tendency to get injured. JD Martinez should have been given huge bucks but wasn't because all he can do is hit. I'll stop raining on everyone parade now.

Oh yes it would but when you have agents who want the big commission they probably downplay the downside to a hitter like Eloy and tell him you have to believe in yourself and it takes a strong minded individual to weigh the good against the bad . To a young kid who believes in himself he might not be looking at how his defense will hurt him or his chance of injury when all around him are telling him how great he is.

If true then it supports my argument more that it would be much easier to offer an extension to a young great 2 way player than it would be to Eloy who only does 1 thing really well and thats hit. He isnt a great defender or runner. I love the kid and think he will be a great hitter but plugging the DH hole or 1st base when the Sox have a lot of defensive potential in other OF prospects possibly doesn't warrant an extension to Eloy this early.