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Mark this date on your calendars: March 10 . The World Baseball Classic , Colombia vs. the U.S. It's possible Quintana will face Bregman.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 11:31 AM) I'd love to see the Rockies make a play for Q and offer up Rodgers/Dahl, Hoffman/Pint, Murphy, Freeland, Tapia, Marquez (some combination of) Rodgers and Dahl are going to be studs It would be so Q-like for him to end up in that hitters paradise.

So will this thread be locked before the Sox trade Q ?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 08:38 PM) But there's a legitimate case to be made for the White Sox contending in 2019 and 2020 if this plays out the way many are hoping. At least for the moment, it doesn't feel like this trade gets done until June/July. Could happen during spring training if an injury to a starting pitcher pops up in a contender.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 08:35 PM) I think waiting is to our advatage. No reason to cave. Like someone else mentioned, the pressure to win now during a competitive window is going to trump any fair value talk. While I'd like the deal to get done now, part of me wants to wait to see which competitive teams blow holes in their rotations by June (injury, underperformance etc). Q will only gain value because of his contract. Teams with shorter windows can always use him to replenish and teams with longer windows can keep him around and probably STILL replenish in 3.5 years. Q is a goldmine for whoever acquires him. Plus I don't really buy into next year's FA class hurting him. Those guys are going to cost $100-$200M plus draft pick. That's not easy for most teams to do. Q will still be prized for the duration of his deal. Now I'm rambling but it wouldn't hurt the Sox to see how some of these targeted prospects progress or regress the first few months next year. Some pros some cons either way, but we're sitting pretty. I'm also on the "keep Q til someone meets what you want" bandwagon. Odds are good that Q will just keep being Q and that is an uninjured, very good and very cheap pitcher. I am also sure that many of the prospects offered but not accepted will not be as consistent ,meaning the odds of regression or injury are greater than the odds of Q regressing or being injured. Of course when you are talking about multiple prospects for one guy some will also advance but since many top prospects ultimately fail , some losing value is a given while with Q his remarkably above average consistency will pay off.

QUOTE (kwill @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 11:04 PM) Well that makes total sense. I knew we needed a 32 year old first baseman to headline a deal that contains our 27 year old starting pitcher in a rebuild. Maybe he meant his brother ? Didn't they sign both of them ?

Houston can kiss my Astros . Poop or get off the pot and take some Ex-lax to get rid of that constipation.

QUOTE (OklahomaBrave @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 06:02 PM) Braves fan here- First let me start by saying how much I have enjoyed reading the intelligent discussion on this board. I have been lurking here for quite a while to to help me keep up with Quintana and Sale rumors and have appreciated all the information and conversations I have read. I have long believed that Quintana, not Sale as originally rumored, has been the primary focus of our front office. Down plying the interest in Q seems like pretty normal misdirection. Was curious what a fair package would be in Sox posters opinions. I was thinking Albies~top 20 prospect, Newcomb~top 50 prospect, Soroka~100 prospect, and Mallex Smith who could immediately play CF might be a fair starting point? Maybe add Austin Riley for good measure? My reasoning for not adding Matian is because of how difficult it is to appraise his value. It's not that he is untouchable, per se, rather that it is difficult to deal him and get full value. Right now he is an excellent third piece. In six months he could "carry" a large deal on his own. It seems impossible for him to currently be viewed by a buyer at full value. Thanks for the response and apologize for any potential homerism! Wonderful post. I think you are being very fair. Hart/Coppolella are doing a wonderful job. They were way ahead of the market for guys like Colon and Dickey. Those are guys the Sox could have targeted once Sale and Q were gone.. The Braves are in a precarious situation. They probably shouldn't be trading prospects just to be competitive in the new stadium. I realize attendance usually spikes in a brand new home but they are going to need those guys when they are actually ready to do more than just add to the excitement of a new home. Even adding Q probably won't mean a playoff appearance. However if the Braves actually do make a serious offer and Q performs very well for the next 2 years then he becomes a guy who the Braves can trade to get some prospects back. The key will be how far will the Braves come in a year or two without the prospects they give up for Quintana . Will paying the price for Q actually help or hurt the Braves ? Right now I think it hurts them more then helps them . I think they are a long shot to acquire him this off season. But if no one meets Rick Hahn's price they may get another shot at the trade deadline when they have more info on the development of their better prospects.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 05:35 AM) Pretty sure Bellinger could play at least average-above average D in LF. I read a scouting report that said he could probably handle CF at times if really needed. But if he's a GG caliber 1B there's no need to move him. He's not a base clogger and he can save runs on D, I wouldn't worry about position value with a guy like Bellinger...not that I think a deal is likely with Bellinger or the Dodgers. Recent scouting report? In his early days he was pretty lanky, around 180 lbs. Now he's listed from 210-215 at 21 yrs old and height of 6'4". Probably will fill out even more. And yea he probably will be stepping in for Adrian Gonzalez in a few years.Really good LH power bat . Might be ready as soon as 2018. Look for huge numbers for him this year in AAA.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 08:05 PM) Really curious what the Braves and Astros offered. Hopefully some names come out to give us fans a better idea of what we might expect. I thought we already had an idea what the Astros offered ? Keith Law or someone thought it was light and since that was posted many posters have followed along with that viewpoint.

QUOTE (kwill @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 06:57 PM) You know the more I read on Dodgers prospects it seems like Bellinger is a top 10 prospect in the game and rated low on MLB Piipline. Everybody raves about the bat and glove. I would probably take him over Meadows for the centerpiece. I'd rather have him over Josh Bell but I'd hesitate with a 1st baseman as a headliner for Q. Pretty sure the Sox want some outfield prospects. The Dodgers do have some pretty interesting OF prospects in their top 10 ,Yusniel Diaz and Alex Verdugo. There's always Puig and Trayce Thompson to also consider. They also have a catcher Will Smith who has moved ahead of Austin Barnes ( but Barnes is major league ready). At this point Barnes could be a throw in at 27 yrs old already. Pretty sure the Dodgers aren't considering Q but they were a good fit before they resigned Hill. Still might be but again prospect misers .

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 05:02 PM) https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien Listening to Sox Podcast with Chuck Garfein, Ryan Mcguffey, and Chris Kamka. Chuck said he KNOWS that the Astros, Pirates, and Braves have made offers for Q. I know the Sox are asking a lot for Q and it's understandable. He keeps getting better and better every year. Seems like these teams are waiting out the whole off season to drive down prices. With Q though I can't understand why he hasn't been moved yet. If he goes to the NL he could get even better and a team could potentially recoup a lot of what they lost trading for him while also getting a couple years of good production from him. It really seems like a win win win situation for the team getting him. Production, salary, recoup talent later. More NL teams need to step up and take advantage of such a unique situation. It's too bad the Dodgers are such misers with their young talent. Friedman has brought the Tampa Bay mind set to a very rich team and looks like the Dodgers will keep hoarding prospects . Some of their moves just boggle my mind. I remember commenting last year how they signed all these broken down starting pitchers and was pretty sure they didnt have enough starting pitching to be a serious World Series candidate. Why would they sign guys like Brandon McCarthy, Scott Kazmir and Brett Anderson for $110M worth of contracts or give a 36 year old Rich Hill 3 more years at near $50M ? Now again they are low balling the Twins for Dozier who is a perfect fit for them. The Dodgers were last in baseball by a wide margin last year in OPS against left handed pitching and need a 2nd baseman. It's like a King dealing with peasants.

162 known ballots or approx. 40% of votes counted.Bagwell and Raines still above 90% .Ivan Rodriquez and Guerrero still both above the 75% needed to get in. Bonds and Clemens both with big spikes upward compared to last year.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 06:11 AM) Not a bet I'm taking. I don't think Sox need to target DH now with assumption they may be expensive in four years. Depends who might want to take a 1 or 2 year contract. Say if Trumbo was signed by the Sox and at the trade deadline had 30 HR's that's just trade bait for more prospects . Of course contract plays a large role but he is more of a sure thing than spending on cheap bounce back types and contenders like sure things.

QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Jan 2, 2017 -> 07:24 AM) OF Minnie Minoso Ken Berry Ken Henderson Scotty Pods Harold Baines IF Nelson Fox Paul Konerko Jose Valentin Robin Ventura Louie Aparicio Jorge Orta C Pudge Ed Herrmann SP Mark Buehrle Lamar Hoyt Wilbur Wood Chris Sale Joel Horlen RP Bobby Jenks Hoyt Wilhelm Terry Forster Eddie Fisher Bobby Thigphen DH Frank Thomas Jim Thome Pinch Hitter Smokey Burgess Didn't think I'd see a list with Ken Berry on it along with Joel Horlen my 2 favs as a youth . I am pleased. Interesting side note on Berry , he was the baseball consultant on the 1919 White Sox movie Eight Men Out and had a tiny role as a fan also.

QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 06:52 PM) C Jamie Burke 1B Konerko 2B Ray Durham 3B Greg Norton (THE GREATEST!) SS Tony Graffanino (Had to force him in there somewhere) LF Tim Raines CF Lance Johnson RF Magglio Ordonez DH Big Frank SP Mark Buehrle SP Jose Quintana SP Jason Bere SP Esteban Loaiza SP Chris Sale RP Bobby Jenks RP Bobby Howry RP Neal Cotts RP Keith Foulke RP Matt Thornton RP Damaso Marte Favorite Guy Against the Cubs - Carlos Lee Favorite Guy to Blame - Ron Karkovice Favorite Minor League Guy Who Didn't Reach His Potential: Dewon Day & Fautino De Los Santos Favorite White Sox Blooper - Favorite White Sox Play - That's always a fun thing to consider and the hitter was Sean Casey who loves telling that story of how he was gunned out from LF.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) Not wrong. Buehrle gets credit for longevity, perfecto, no hitter, and for being a great teammate. And postseason heroics. and tarp sliding.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 2, 2017 -> 10:17 PM) For the love of god Balta, Frazier is not a 1B/DH type so please stop lumping him in with the rest of the bunch. Also, you're assuming a one time market inefficiency is somehow permanent by completely ignoring other factors at play (numerous teams rebuilding, changes to comp pick structure, luxury tax considerations, etc). Let's wait and see what these 1B/DH go for next offseason before we assume it's a market trend. We can sort of already see what the trends are and have been and will continue to be for old slow poor defending 1b/DH types or those who project to be those types. What's hot and has been is the athletic, slick fielding, up the middle types who if they don't stick up the middle can be converted to OF or 3rd base. Versatile talent should always be the key to acquiring young positional players.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 31, 2016 -> 11:34 AM) Add Giolito and Kopech to the list of pitchers with walk issues. That's what I don't understand why people are down on Glasnow due to his walk rates when we've already been through it with Rodon, going through it now with Fulmer, Giolito had problems in his pro debut and Kopech had problems in the minors. Heck, my concern isn't over Glasnow's walk rates, it more about getting a few solid hitting prospects in any trade for Q. For me, one of Bell or Meadows has to be in the deal with Glasnow. To me it's not even Bell or Meadows. It's just Meadows. Bell may end up a better hitter than Meadows but as a 1st baseman with a defensive reputation about the same as Frank Thomas ( yes worse than Abreu), he just can't be the center piece as much as a good fielding center fielder. Bell types are a dime a dozen as we have seen on the market this year.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 07:33 PM) In my mind this is absolutely a legit theory but we cannot argue with the excitement of the return. I think it's a silly theory. Sale and Eaton had years and years left. You don't trade very good players on team friendly contracts if you are not rebuilding. The importance given to the LaRoche theory is way overblown. Hahn just will not trade Q unless he gets some kind of headline prospect not just a bunch of filler. It absolutely has to be done right. Half assing it would be pushing to trade Q without a headliner. There is all of January and February to trade some of the other pieces. No doubt we may start the season with some of Melky , Frazier, Abreu, Jones , Robertson . It would be very difficult to move them all and some are legit candidates to rebuild value or mentor the prospects. Hahn has done well so far . Rome wasn't built in a day.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 24, 2016 -> 12:47 PM) Todd Frazier on the open market would get how much per year? If EE is a $20 million player, Frazier is probably in the $12 to 15 million range, tops? His arb estimate this year is $13.5 million. He is a one dimensional hitter, who had by far his worst year defensively. He put up big negatives in UZR and Range factor. He even put up a Dwar that was negative by two wins. That would make him a one dimensional player. There is probably only 1 reason for those supposedly negative defensive stats and that's Frazier's range. It's not because he is a butcher at 3rd base.The eye test will tell you he can pick it and throw it just fine. He doesn't get high marks for range but he is accurate with his throws to 2nd and 1st base . There is no where near the fear or trepidation in having him at 3rd base as there is with putting Trumbo in the OF or the 37 yr old Encarnacion or a Pedro Alvarez anywhere on the field. He had a .972 fielding % whereas the avg for all 3rd basemen is .959 last year. He set career highs in assists and double plays. He is pretty much your average 3rd baseman . That is in the acceptable range not the OMG he sucks range .

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Dec 24, 2016 -> 07:49 AM) Pirates deal unlikely unless they can stay under budget. We thought Jerry was bad, they have a real Scrooge in Pittsburgh. Perhaps soon he will be visited by the ghosts of Clemente and Stargell.

Merry Christmas from father to son. Alex Avila resigns with the Tigers 1 yr $2M where his father Al is the GM.

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Dec 24, 2016 -> 04:44 AM) I like that Hahn seems to be insisting on a good return no matter how long it takes. I have enjoyed the rumors. Happy to have some interesting Sox stuff as the Bears are depressing me. Rumors are fun though certainly not worth losing sleep . Doesn't really matter to me if I am one of the first to find out about a trade or post about it. I work 8-10 hr days without a desk or a cell phone . If the national media doesn't pick up a new rumor such as the Q 3 way it loses a lot of steam in a hurry. It's good to know Hahn won't settle . He knows Q should be worth quite a bit as a player and future trade piece if he holds or even increases his stats. He should not be undersold .

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 08:12 AM) We have seen over and over again that one dimensional power bats don't have nearly as much value as they should on the open market right now. If Frazier was a FA, his annual rate would be really close to what he is expected to get this year in Arb.The only thing he has going for him is that he only has one year of obligation coming up, instead of the 2 or 3 he'd get as a FA. If by one dimensional you mean all he can do batting is hit HR's then I guess he is one dimensional. However, the true meaning of one dimensional since you are comparing him to guys on the open market now is power while being severely limited defensively. Since Frazier plays 3rd base and plays it decently I wouldn't classify him as 1 dimensional. Thus the logic behind your opinion of his value falls short.