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Still a lot of hurt feelings among those giving out F's. Biggest reason it's an F is 102 losses and failure to heed the "forget 2024" caveat.The OP said asking for that was a fools errand. The last rebuilt was built around everyone calling it a rebuild and most were in favor of it so they accepted the losses and growing pains . Hahn actually spent too much on the 25 man roster during the rebuild and the Sox competed well enough to never get a top 1 or 2 pick like the Astros did a couple of times. Hahn had a lot of years to build infrastructure but if he did he never got any results. Nothing from the DR accept a guy he got fleeced on. As a matter of fact Hahn sabotaged his own rebuild. Look at the WAR produced by both Tatis Jr. and Marcus Semien between 2019-2021 which turned out to be the years the Sox needed them most. 2021 especially when they both put up monster WAR totals. It sucks it all fell apart so quickly.It also sucks JR is currently planning the team to be sold and making sure his heirs aren't stuck with a lot of debt or taxes. But we wanted him to sell an we're lucky the Ishbias are very wealthy and some of you now crying will get to see a new owner who likely will try to make the Sox into a team Chicago deserves. The arrow is pointing up if you have the patience to wait for the calvary to arrive. Maybe by the time the Ishbias take over the team will be hovering somehere around .500 or better. The farm system could be back in the top 10 after the next draft. But it'll probably be a lean few years but the new DR Academy is due to open in 2026 and some of you may be around in 10 years to see Braston Basker play in a White Sox uniform and recall that we 1st heard of him in 2025 . That's already a future $6M spent out of Isbias 2030 pocket !

Seriously who and what are can't miss guys ? Even can't miss guys miss all the time. How many can't miss prospects are there right now ? Can you name 12 or so who haven't progressed beyond A ball yet ? Surely it must be easy to name 12 can't missers among so many not yet beyond A ball .

From what very little I know of Thorpe he seems like a pitcher well aware of his limitations who had reached a very high level despite those limitations. Now him and his coaches will do their best to see if he has what it takes to succeed in the biggest hurdle of all.

There's massive board debates about everything and many many times the majority opinion is wrong so debate alone means nothing except people usually argue playing odds that injury prone players usually continue that way because they know nothing about what goes on behind the scenes, players determinations, talent, adaptability . Like with Crochet we all knew he had an arm but we also knew he got hurt a lot. What no one knew is that he was maturing physically into this huge strong man while rehabbing and working very diligetly into becoming a starting pitcher . This included the Sox being supportive and working with him to develop him to the point where it was shocking to most of us that he was named the opening day starter and he continued to defy all odds regarding health and adapt and refine his pitch mix . So even when we had all the evidence in the world that the new front office regime might know what they're doing many refused to give them credit for developing him. It was 100 % all Crochet which is of course a sad, ridiculous argument to make. You could argue that prospect success or failure has a lot to do with the player based on the things physical , mental & character traits I mentioned earlier but not 100 % especially when the same people are super quick on the trigger to call the team out for development failures as if its all on them and players are just moldable pieces of clay whose success or failure is solely based on their coaching. The butt hurt of 2024 ran so deep some could never admit the new regime could do anything right or you might get labeled a Getz supporter. God forbid someone who, as a lackey under a previous hierarchy, could actually make good decisions regarding player development and building an infrastructure to help a Crochet ,Montgomery overcome the odds that despite setbacks prospects are not always busts when deemed so by Soxtalk experts. Will it work with every player ? Of course not but if we are going to rip on management that they always suck with scouting and development and doubt that a new regime is any different from the old one under the same owner I'd expect credit to be given when it is due. Sadly most stick to their old tired arguments by just kicking the can down the road of "I need more proof before I think anything has changed" while they still blast everything they can in their ignorant and bitter sight .

Leo Getz ? Search your movie memories Luke ! Hint : Lethal_______ 2, 3, & 4. Reinsdorf's accountant.

I know you are trying to be fair when you say its a long off season so try not to be critical of others grades and just give your own reasons for your grade. Very commendable even though targeting Caufield to enforce it when Ray Ray in just about every thread is always the most highly critical of posters who look on the bright side often citing us as simpletons being duped by JR or having low standards when its actually just people who see things from a more macro viewpoint and removing embarassment from the equation . He also downplays the structural and cultural changes as costing a small fraction of player payroll and insignificant since the Sox are just playing catchup in these areas . Maybe its not just coincidence that as fans we saw very positives signs from many of our players . Time will tell if things have truly changed but since this is a 2025 grade 1 + 1 does = 2 when adding up structural and cultural changes to positive player development . I havent voted yet but for example I havent seen one person mention all the Tommy John surgeries that greatly impacted pitching prospects and the MLB pitching depth in the organization. Some would argue like earlier in the season and without any proof , that it's an indictment of pitching coaches policies or a bad medical staff. Without proof of anything more diabolical going on I'd have to go with bad luck. Most of those injuries happened in 2025 although some may have happened before the calendar flipped on January 1 so I considered them to be part of 2025. There also differences in how big some of the positives are viewed moving forward. Colson going from a downward spiraling minor league career and to many here as a bust to what he became for the Sox this year was HUGE. The Rule 5 pickups of especially Smith but Vasil too was HUGE. The development of all the graduated top prospects and Vargas, Sosa and even the hit /power tool of Baldwin were pretty big too. Micro view is 102 losses = F. The Pope being a Sox fan and Ishbia men still on the horizon is good too but I can't give Getz credit for those things.

Not sure what this even means. With prospects position players are more highly valued than pitchers and it's not even close. With teams needing a large boost to their rotations a true ace like Verlander or Bumgarner can be a difference maker but those guys are truly exceptional . To get to that level of reliability you have to have a good record of health and success. You can name a lot more current very good to great hitters than you can pitchers who can go deep into games and truly dominate . The chances of getting a Verlander or Bumgarner type post season run become less every year. Dominant lefthanders like Crochet, Sale and to a lesser degree Rodon all had quite different paths. Sale stayed pretty healthy while Crochet and Rodon were written off as too injury prone . Most people were OK with drafting Hagen Smith as another one of those lefties the Sox have had success with until his development path didnt stay linear but most probably wanted a hitter. Since Tommy John surgery is so prevalent in the development of pitchers position players are deemed as much more valuable. I highly doubt the Red Sox have the rest of the horses necessary to make a postseason run not when Romy Gonzalez still is getting crucial PT. Crochet may never get the chance that Sale did. And Sale wasn't dominant in his 1 World Series Start in 2018 but he was as a 1 inning reliever in game 5. His postseason performances in general have been mediocre at best. Rodon didnt hit it big until he was 28 after many injury prone years and getting non tendered then resigned by the Sox .

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This was the 9th shutout the Sox have pitched this season .

Goodbye 2025 season . Hopefully you will be remembered as the year that started the careers of 4 future All Stars and as the 1st step on the path to a new era of baseball. You young fans have a great era of Sox baseball to look forward to. We will have the best owner in White Sox history, which isnt a large mountain to climb.

No on both. Great rookie season though !

Montgomery's last chance to tie Sosa and to finish the season with a . 240 BA.

Fletch rockin' the porn stache.

Most pitchers can't even go 9 innings .

Baldy oppo off the wall 7-0. Football score. Bear game starting.

The stuff I could see 😂

Maybe they need to be drunk for her to enjoy it .

Taylor's retiring.

Looks like Vaughn

Fletch hit it as far as Baldy did, off the facade of the upper deck ! 1st HR and RBI for him this year with the Sox.

Baldy crushed that pitch outta here !

Is Vargas using a torpedo bat now ?

My dad was a Cardinals fan. Not many left who remember them. Youd have to be in your 90s.

Hope he doesnt go 0 for today. Get a hit then take him out.

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