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I'm not sure I'd make it sound easy to give him an extention or if you can describe such a thing as below market value. The 2 years he has left in arbitration do lessen his value if he were to sign an extension right away. After all he does have an injury history and also has less than a years worth of full time starting pitching. On his side of course is that he does seem primed to be a 180+ innings elite starting pitcher going forward. He waits to sign he could have a much bigger contract in a year if he puts up another healthy year of elite pitching.If he gets hurt in 2025 he really hurts his value. After all there also has to be concern about how hell bounce back from his 2024 innings load. If he wants to prioritize instant security as a hedge against injury in his next 2 years this could work in the Sox favor. I wouldn't call it less than market value. There's just things to consider about the future that could hurt him or really make him very very rich. I think signing right away and getting opt outs can be a reasonable deal for all sides involved.

I agree. I'm not so concerned about who we trade with and who we get. The return has to be maximized and there are ways to do that. You talk to Crochet's camp. You tell them we want to maximize what we get back for him. Would you be ok with us giving a team a 48 hr window to reach a contract extension with Garrett which would get us better prospects if a team knows they have him for longer than 2 years. The longer the extension the better our return . He might be willing to go 3 years with opt up after 2027 or even 4 or 5 years with opt outs in every year after the 3rd year. Well give you a list of teams who would be willing to do this and you can talk to them all . 3 teams you get 72 hours to narrow it down to the best offer or tell us you can't reach an agreement. The Sox should already have some idea what Crochet wants but they'll have to be sure to float that idea to interested teams.

Magdaleno looks exceptional among the relievers and Webb as a starter seems like a Drew Thorpe type. Ward among the hitters to replace Sheets seems to hit RHP really well. But PCL numbers. Otherwise I might just go with the 27 yr. old Crim since he just seems lke the most well rounded hitter.

There's been a lot smoke around Red Sox. A real lot but your guess is as good as mine.

Congrats on earning your new badge. You make good points as does your opponent. Of course the point is you have to try to maximize future value by trying to get players that can maximize their worth with multiple tools at the most valuable positions. On the other hand we can make arguments against any player but the Sox aren't exactly in a position to turn down top prospects from any organization. The teams that truly want Crochet and value current success against future unknowns will step up. Prospects for the most part are fools gold or usually require time to reach their potential if they ever do. If the Red Sox are the frontrunners for Soto their next quest could be Crochet if they envision him as the new Sale. They'll cling to certain prospects like they did with Devers but they will have to part with some high quality position talent to land Crochet unless they prefer spending $800M+ this off-season.

1981 was the 1st full year I was in LA county. Fernandomania was cool.RIP Fernando.

The Prodigal Son

Of course but you're hoping to find someone young enough with power to break out whcan field adequately. He might be in Sheets territory as a fielder.

I agree. It's silly talk to say Getz asking prices are too high.Thats just buying into the rich or opposing side narrative that top position prospects are gold. It may not be deliberate collusion but all of a sudden top 50 prospects weren't being moved recently . All we hear is it's crazy talk to think well get anyone in the top 20. Getz is already severely limited by the "screw you JR " anti-tanking new draft rules. It's no coincidence that teams started prospect hugging shortly after the league crippled cheap owners/ poor teams ability to get good returns in trades for star players with limited control by limiting their ability to draft where they should according to record. Baseball already was the hardest sport to project how a prospect will develop. High picks give you a better shot but it's no panacea. There is no reason to try to screw bad teams. The bad teams like the Sox constantly screw themselves over because they cheap out on scouting and player development. It didn't help the Sox that much getting Moncada, Jimenez, Kopech, Giolito, Lopez, Cease ,Collins, Vaughn, Madrigal , Crochet and Robert.Top guys bust more often than they turn into stars for multiple years. Everyone gets enamored with the upside but the downside is a bust. It's no wonder a 3 WAR guy like Wilyer Abreu looks attractive when our last rebuild couldn't produce a single guy worth 15 WAR over a 5 year period or even a 12 WAR over a 4 year period. You can check me on this. Im just guessing. The league may pretend they want parity but what they really want is a Dodgers - Yankees World Series every year. Revenue sharing is just a way to pretend to even things up a little bit. It does nothing to help the Sox . Not only do we have JR but now the league has empowered the rich teams even more in the draft and as a result in trades too for rebuilding teams. Screwed on all sides to dig out of this mess created by JR . Getz doesn't stand a chance. He's doing what he can to hire the right people and playing the long game so maybe any prospects stand a better chance of succeeding than the last bunch did but JR will die eventually and more chaos will ensue.

On the other hand accumulation of talent is not just for playoff teams. You need talent to get to 60, 70 ,80 wins too. The more talent you have the more you can do with it. Many are talking about a 10 year rebuild . If Getz has any kind of vision it might have more to do with being more like Tampa Bay and they are always trying to go from average to above average , playoff team by finding a balance between developing youth and trading it away at the right time and continuing to win.Depth of talent has to come 1st and that only happens once you fix scouting and player development domestically and internationally. Then your GM has to trust his talent evaluators in trades. I think most GMs scamble to gather info from their guys once a team shows interest in your players .A good infrastructure can provide that info efficiently and identify players of interest from all levels of any system.

I call a smart hitter someone who combines their physical gifts , with knowledge of hitting ,being good at recognizing pitch sequences, hitting in various counts, game preparedness like knowing the pitchers repertoire and tendencies. Eyesight is very important in recognizing spin and processing that info in fractions of seconds to decide the swing path to make the ball hit the sweet spot and drive it. It's all done so quickly on every pitch and requires quick reflexes. and perhaps a quicker mind. Even then you have to gain experience and deal with your failures most at bats. Imagine all the different ways hitters hold a bat ,all the different stances and swing mechanisms strides, toe tap. Ttsr can literally make millions of combined changes to how he swings the bat. For example where you hold your hands .It can be anywhere from waist high to above your head. Add that to all the ways to tilt the bat, stride . Then their are proper hitting mechanics. Finding the right combo of things to do that unlocks you to be better is like finding a needle in a haystack for some and comes more naturally to others. Personally I'd give prospects every eye test under the sun to test depth perception, color blindness, peripheral vision. Since livh colored eyes are more sensitive to light Id see if sunglasses are ever a for different colored eyes or if their are better sunglasses for artificial light like for night games. It's said Ted Williams had 20/10 vision. But that's the extent most of us ever hear about vision. Test seems like an extremely important thing to do every year to every player.Slight worsening of vision could lead to bad results for hitters just as improved vision in sunlight and artificial light may improve hitting. Hitting a baseball well is like sophisticated targetting systems in the military. It all starts with how well you see the moving target.

I've consistently said they wouldn't do it too. I'm just saying if they don't really care about paying Vaughn $6M then they better not try to then attach Benintendi to Crochet or Robert. Others seem to think it's a real possibility because of rumors they tried to do it before. Trying to draw a correlation that if the are willing to pay Vaughn they should be willing to keep Benintendi out of a pure misery move like attaching him to Robert or Crochet for those who think it's a real possibility.

McKinven is supposed to be a framing whisperer according to some sources with both Narvaez and William Contreras improving while with the Brewers. Eric Kratz of Foul Territory was one source who said that.

If they attach Benintendi in a Crochet trade I'll care that they paid Vaughn because attaching Benitendi and getting less prospects in return would be the most Reinsdorfiest of cheap skate moves ever . While I think Vaughn shouldve been nontendered its more the 26 yr old devil you know than a 36 yr old devil you dont know. Not exactly any moves to look forward to except Crochet.

I seem to remember reading something about Colas playing hurt last year. His back I think.

Lol so because I don't see the word fired anywhere and you draw conclusions based on your personal life and apply it to baseball that make you right. I'm just questioning if he was fired.You engaged me and Asked if I believe everything I read. You expect me to believe you instead ? You didn't offer any special insight I hadnt already read . If people can't handle having their opinions questioned without saying don't lecture me f*** you because I use knowledge to my advantage and actually discuss instead of mock or bully people. No wonder so many aren't posting anymore. Whether he was fired or his contract ran out and wasn't renewed makes no difference. All these hires are basically met with jokes and skepticism when to most objective observers in the media these are good hires Getz is making .It seems like he really trying to get more analytical info to players and hiring people who are good at making it easier for players to use. On the CHGO podcast interview with Eric Kratz of The Foul Territory podcast he really liked the new hire from the Brewers and used examples of how that guy improved defense among some catchers not known for their defense. I don't know what's so bad about being positive about the recent hires rather than quibbling with me over semantics of fired or didn't renew his contract, or whatever. Guys like Vinnie Duber from CHGO and various Sox podcasts like Sox in the Basement and Future Sox praise the hiring of Fuller and the bench coach Walker McKinven. Here on Soxtalk we get more run prevention and Greg Walker jokes than anyone taking a stab at being positive about their qualifications or what it is about them that fits in with what Getz is trying to accomplish and that's just sad. I praised one of our posters about making a good positive observation @Boopa1219 , I think and I got 2 laugh emojis. I wasn't being sarcastic. I really liked the post and don't understand why I got laugh emojis. Maybe McKinven will help Edgar Quero and Lee become better defensively and with framing. Crochet credits Katz and Bannister with his development and yet our posters can't ? It's just meaner and tantrumy than ever around here now.

I'm not saying he couldn't have been fired I'm just saying it's speculaton. What you're quoting is speculation.The guy says so himself. "This might get a little tinfoil hatty", so your conclusion is most Orioles fan believe he was fired ? Is that you saying that Caulfield ? If so how did you reach that conclusion ? Based on admitted "tin foil hatty " speculation ?

I. I believe if it doesn't say fired then maybe Fuller wasnt fired. I don't fill in the blank with what I think happened. It just as likely that he was hired away by the Sox. I believe there was anther Oriole source that said that could be the case. I also checked several Orioles vlogs . If you want to believe Fuller was fired go right ahead. Everything written or voiced seems to not know for sure so I'll believe that. When you start making things up is when you misinform people . Well I just assume he was fired because I don't believe everyone reporting on it . You put let go in quotes .Again did it say " let go " in the article you sent linked or are you now misquoting along with reading between the lines. Why do you dismiss the possibility that he left to go to the Sox ? What was the time period between Fuller not returning and the Sox hiring him ?

This is where we have differences. There's nothing in the article that says dumped or fired. I believe it says " will not be returning" which was my reason for questioning if he was fired, which you did not clear up.

Sox are a little short on CF depth. These are the types of signings we are going to get. Even Sox rejects are getting signed by others teams like Deivi Garcia and Raphael Ortega.

More or less true. Not even sure he was fired. Sox may have just hired him away from the O's. Before that he had been climbing the coaching ladder fairly fast with them.

We'll know by 6PM CT Friday Nov. 22. I'm hoping both are gone. Vaughn isn't worth the $6M price tag just to get a shot under Fuller's eyes. He still can't defend or run well enough , he's not a LH 1st baseman and he isn't tall.

Good positive observation .

People get antsy when top prospects development declines no matter how you choose to rationalize it. It might be top notch rationalization too but despite the warnings that development isn't linear, panic sets in when when a downward line appears.

It's a 6 game sample size.I wonder if the Sox even have scout there watching games. If they do, I'm sure there are younger players to scout. I hope the Fuller hire doesn't mean it's another coach taking a crack at Vaughn and Sheets. Send them packing and use the $8M somewhere else. Abreu " signing imminent " sounds like BS based on sample sIze.