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QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 17, 2005 -> 08:52 AM) I know Randar keeps on saying that Rogo will be promoted to Charlotte once the first half of the season ends for Birmingham and once Rogo is promoted to Charlotte Daigle will be promoted to Bham. That's just my feel for it. Daigle is a good guy to have in the clubhouse, but there are several really good guys, a few with leadership skills on the BHam roster right now, so what does that say? I don't know, I have always kind of wondered how long anyone could keep a guy like Razor around before he talked/acted his way out of town... We'll see. He makes things fun when they're winning, but man is it a b**** to be around him when they are losing... that's my opinion anyway, I could be off... Rogo is the only hitter worthy of promotion in AA (that isn't already being pushed (Owens and Young)... and Daigle just so happens to play the same position and be on fire a level lower... It makes sense. Rogo's time is the near future, IMO, gotta see what he can do in AAA unless they are showing him off for trade...

QUOTE(BHAMBARONS @ Jun 17, 2005 -> 01:51 AM) I think a coaching change is needed Razor is the kind of guy who wears out his welcome after a little while...

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:10 PM) I'd go with that. However, they could grab Gio for the world team or however it works (Isn't that how they do it sometimes?). How could they do that, Gio is from Florida... (isn't he a US citizen or am I missing something from his bio?) yeah, it is World vs US, IIRC LOL, dman beat me to the punch, should have read the whole thread... doh!

QUOTE(BlackBetsy @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 08:20 AM) Mind you, half of Rogo's 1,000 at-bats and the bulk of his .800+ OPS came last year, in his 23 year old, third season at high-A, which undercuts your argument about his career performance. You can either argue he's been a great player for three years or that he has been injured, but you can't argue both. Further, if he has lost key development time, as you say, does that make him less of a prospect? Which is it? Has he lost key development time - and we know you can't time travel and make it up - or is he still a prospect with a high ceiling? Make up your mind about what you are arguing. So, Rogowski being behind-the-curve age-wise because of missing significant development time due to injury is somehow in contrast to the rest of my argument? I would be interested in reading how you came to that silly conclusion. It is in direct support of my argument that Rogowski is still a legit prospect, just one who has had his development delayed by injury, as opposed to Daigle who has not had that problem. Daigle hasn't hit anything until his 6th season of A ball. I really have a hard time with your extremely convoluted and reaching point you are trying to make. 1000 minor league AB's versus 2500+ 24 vs 26. .330 in AA versus Daigle's .238 in AA. There is absolutely no comparison between the players. Rogo's time in High-A was ~550 AB's, a hair over 1 season, before his repeat of that level. So yes, repeating high-A is a concern, but he did well there and is raking in AA. just-24 is old for AA? Most college-experienced prospects are in AA when they are 22-23, is there that big a difference? Rogo was 23 on opening day, despite missing aforementioned time due to injuries... Anyway, I've said enough, this silly comparison really deserves no more debate.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 09:15 PM) Randar is shooing away Daigle far too early. How many times have we seen a Scott Seabol or Joe Dillon toil away in the minors for years only to break out in their mid to late 20s or even early 30s? Daigle might have turned a corner, and then again it took Rogowski three years to move on past High-A. Randar seemingly pisses on everyone without really thinking about the other side of the coin, when the likelihood of Daigle perhaps becoming somewhat productive in the high levels of minor league baseball isn't too shabby. For every 1 of those players you mentioned, there are 500 Kenny Rays. "not too shabby?"

QUOTE(MnSoxFan @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 03:41 PM) Jeesh Randar, I guess I am not over here enough to know if you two have a running feud, but that is not a very nice response??? It was a rude reply, I admit, but I get VERY frustrated by nonsensical back-up QB thinking. The whole "Rogo and Daigle are very easy to compare" crap really set me off. There are just a couple of people here that refuse to look at the bigger picture involved and instead would rather run around in multiple threads b****ing about how Leo Daigle should be promoted, regardless of the situation at other levels or other players that would be affected or have to be promoted first, or the , now going so far as trying to draw a ludicrous comparison between a freshly-turned-24 legit prospect tearing up AA to a near-26 year old career minor leaguer in the middle of his 6th full season in A-ball...

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 02:59 PM) Charlotte @ Norfolk 6:15 BMac starts Tennessee @ Birmingham 7 Lubisich I think Frederick @ Winston-Salem 6 Whisler Kanny won 6-2. Adam Russell picked up his 4th win. HR for Hansen. Ricks 3-4. Lucy 2-3. Box Score Lucy also with a SB and a SF in the game while nobody attempted a steal for the opposing team... Hope he keeps hitting, kid has a lot of physical talent.

QUOTE(BlackBetsy @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 02:29 PM) By the way, Rogo will be a non-prospect like Daigle soon (he's 24 now). In fact, if you look at the 3-year repeat of W-S for Rogo, you could compare him to Daigle pretty easily. Not to take anything away from Rogo, I think he's a good talent and I love his plate discipline. Rogo is 24 in AA after spending good parts of 2 years on the DL or nursing injuries and playing just one healthy full-season in W-S. He's also hitting .330 in AA, yet you don't care because Daigle, a 25-year old with AA experience, is hitting the cover off the ball in Winston-Salem and have gone on some kind of crusade to promote him for some unknown reason. How many HR's do you think he'd have in AA in a MUCH bigger park and less of a hitter's league? Sheeesh. Rogo's career numbers: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/casey_rogowski.shtml Daigle's career numbers: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/leo_daigle.shtml That's an easy comparison to make? In Daigle's full-season in AA he hit .238 while Rogo is hitting well over .300. Meanwhile, Rogo JUST turned 24 while Daigle is just a couple months from turning 26. This is Daigle's 6th *bleeping* year in A ball and a whole year in AA too! Sheeesh, this infatuation is utterly nonsensical. Coming into this year he had almost 2600 minor league at-bats with a whopping .262 career average and .749 OPS. Meanwhile, Rogo, who was drafted out of HS (to Daigle's college experience) came in as a very raw kid with a predominantly wrestling and football background, lost a ton of in-season and off-season development time (extremely important to young/raw prospect as that is when most individual work is done) due to injury. He had merely 1,000 career minor league AB's heading into this season, and was a .270 hitter with a .800+OPS and a great OBP along the way... Yet, it's an easy comparison? LMFAO. Easy as in "Graduationg from Harvard in 2 years is easy"? Put your freaking crack pipe down and stop creaming yourself over a career minor leaguer.

QUOTE(BlackBetsy @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 12:26 PM) OK, except for the fact that Rogo should be promoted to Charlotte to take the spot of the AAAA player there now. Is the Charlotte team that desperate for "stars" that they have to keep guys like Toca around and keep Rogo down? When the half-season is over, folks... sheeesh. Daigle is a 25 year-old marginal or non-prospect. Rogo is a legit prospect. You don't f*** with Rogowski just to promote Daigle. Sheeesh. I know he deserves to move up, but there has to be room, people. These teams are also in races for first-half championships (guarantees playoffs), so there is a reason why people haven't been shuffled around yet.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 11:09 AM) Thats awesome. I hope the Sox don't mess with him. I'd just let him ease into things down in Bham and hopefully his confidence continues to grow with each and every start. I know I had written him off, but it really sounds like he's turned the corner and is back on his way to establishing himself as a prospect. How ridiculous is the top 30 going to look after this year if we don't have a rash of trades? With prospects being given time due to no immediate MLB need, and the drafts and return from injury of the likes of Honel and Malone and to a lesser extent Lumsden, it's going to be a top-5 or 10 organization type of top-30...

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 11:08 AM) Plus Liotta. The Sox are also gonna be piggybacking Broadway so I'd say there is a decent shot they'll do something early on where Broadway starts and Lumsden comes in and finishes stuff out in relief. They'll have to ease Tyler back from his injury, but he'll be back around the ASB. I hadn't heard anything in a while, how old is that info? It's consistent with what we heard a month or 2 ago...

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 11:04 AM) The funny thing is I saw where Brooks is supposed to be a real tough sign, which is interesting since a lot of us thought he was a bit of a reach. I know a couple years back a lot of scouts felt he projected more as a reliever as opposed to a starter. Yeah, draft-eligible sophomore that apparently wasn't rated as highly due to signability doubts and exposure... Appears to be a better pick than originally thought. Without a second rounder, and having drafted him before and obviously having had discussions with him 2 years ago, they must feel they can sign him or they wouldn't have taken him, IMO... If they can sign those first 10-14 picks this year, I'll be thrilled no matter what happens with Danks...

QUOTE(mike12345 @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 02:43 AM) Danks will not sign..he made it clear that money wasnt a concern. Danks wants to to go UT and play there. I understand what he said. Austin Jackson also said he was definitely going to play hoops at Georgia Tech and signed with the Yanks last week from what I've heard. He had initially demanded a 2.1 million signing bonus to match what his brother received (basically, top-10 money) but recanted that into a "just don't draft me, I'm going to UT" letter to all MLB clubs. It would take at least 2.1 million to change his mind, IMO, and while I don't see the Sox doing so, especially if they sign all their earlier priority guys, let's wait for more info or for him to enroll in school before writing it off as a total impossibility...

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 12:34 AM) There will be a whole slew of signings the next couple days and then rosters will be out for the short season teams. My guess is they may have already came to terms with some other guys or are pretty close. I'm gonna try and figure out whats going on with the other picks cause I haven't had the shot to do much catching up until tonight. Both Short-season teams open play on June 21st. I expect mass-signing-announcements in the next 48 hours. Was good to see Cortes may be close to terms. He's one of about 4 or 5 signability picks that could turn an average draft into a real good one...

QUOTE(sayitanitso @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 09:47 AM) He deserves to be promoted. My question is why hasn't he been called up earlier? BECAUSE THERE IS NOWHERE TO PLAY HIM IN BIRMINGHAM!

QUOTE(sayitanitso @ Jun 13, 2005 -> 02:31 PM) Is he really his little brother. Its weird because both of their names are Carlos. YES.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 13, 2005 -> 11:39 AM) Can't you see with your own eyes how much ground rowand covers compared to other outfielders around the league? I know i can. You said yourself you've never seen Brian Anderson play. I love the way Rowand has turned himself into an above-average defensive player in CF after he looked like a lost boy there his first couple of years. I really don't care either way, but IMO Anderson is the better athlete and is bigger/faster. Like I said, it's a toss-up in my book, and Rowand is more suited for a corner OF spot, IMO, meaning I would play Anderson in CF and put Rowand in LF or RF depending on what you did with Dye. However, Pods' game is running and getting on-base and as long as he is here, how can you put him on the bench as a DH? That's the best way I can think of to get him hurt. He needs to be out there, staying loose, IMO, but his weak arm is frustrating.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 13, 2005 -> 11:33 AM) Agreed, I think Anderson plays RF when he is called up. It's pretty pointless discussing this now, because where they hell is he going to play? Carl's contract is up after this year and the rest of the starting OF is all signed for 2006... So, barring major injury or trade, where is he going to play? I don't mind seeing Dye tried at 1st, but the number of balls that get under his glove in RF scares me, LOL!

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 13, 2005 -> 11:30 AM) Rowand is second in baseball zone rating this year and was first all of last year. Zone rating is the percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive zone. Rowand ever moves from center field for practically anyone the white sox are f***ed up. I can't envision anderson being a better center fielder than rowand... rowand is one of the best outfielders in the game and this is not being biased. Gotta love defensive stats...

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 13, 2005 -> 11:06 AM) I've never seen Anderson play but does he really play better defense than Rowand who is a top 5 defensive CFer in my book. I'd rather have Pods or Dye out of there before putting Anderson at DH, but he and Rowand (who has markedly improved over the past 24 months from BAD to above-average) are about equivalent. Anderson IMO is faster aand covers more ground. I'd rather have an OF or Rowand/Anderson/Dye... who the hell would run on that group? Pods gets to a lot of balls and he's better glove-wise than I expected, but DAMN if I'm not tired of seeing guys take an extra base on every fly ball, even the shallow ones...

QUOTE(sayitanitso @ Jun 13, 2005 -> 08:10 AM) Why hasn't he been called up to Birmingham yet? There is nowhere for him to play until someone at BHam (Rogo) moves up. It's a chain reaction and expect the movement to start when these teams end their halves of the season...

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 13, 2005 -> 06:29 AM) It's not really for the fact that they're both LHH's (although I think it helps because we really do struggle against RHP). I'm just planning ahead if Konerko isn't here next season, and the Sox don't sign a replacement like Doug Mientkiewicz, J.T Snow or Scott Hatteberg. Of course there's Frank Thomas as well, and if he doesn't come back, that opens up the DH spot for a guy like Erubiel Durazo, or even Brian Anderson. Not to hijack this thread, but what the hell would they DH Brian Anderson for? I'd DH Rowand, Pods or Dye before Anderson, sheesh.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/new..._milb&fext=.jsp The only 2 representatives from the team. We'll see if either is still in Kannapolis by the time the game rolls around.

QUOTE(False Alarm @ Jun 10, 2005 -> 10:40 AM) i'd feel better about our chances if his brother wasn't a top prospect for the rangers. i assume he got a pretty coin for being their 2003 1st-rd pick, and just from a practical standpoint, it seems to me more likely that a guy'll sign if his family could use the money. but knowing that his brother got a big signing bonus (and is on the fast track to the bigs) and thus that his family should be comfortable, jordan'll have less incentive (other than wanting his own loot [which could be enough]) to sign even when we throw big money at him. Well, Jordan originally had a demand of matching the 2.1 million his brother got, but backed off when he sent the latter asking teams to not draft him at all. I would offer 2.1 million if I were the Sox and call it a day. If he accepts, great, if not, fine...

QUOTE(farmteam @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 01:00 PM) So, a question for you all: I know it's highly unlikely that he'll sign given his commitment to Texas, but who knows when you throw some money at a kid. Anyways, do you think our current Outfield depth would help or hurt our chances of signing him? Would he be scared off that he wouldn't be the 'top guy' in our system? To note, I would be ecstatic if we could sign him. Nope. I don't think any prospect is "scared-off" by depth in baseball. Injury, trades, people not making it are just too common and frequent for that to be of legitimate concern.