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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 10:23 PM) Now Mitch says it was 177 degrees on the mound once when he pitched, and he's serious. well, that would account for alot of things with Mitch

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 10:35 PM) Milledge STILL has second string quarterback status in some's minds. He's the unknown thus some fans want him up now. He's also blah. Don't need him. I have to agree. Milledge isn't an improvement

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 05:56 PM) Pierre has not been their problem since Williams wanted to get rid of him. Kenny needed to replace Dunn, Teahen, or Rios with Viciedo. Was it Williams that wanted Pierre gone and Ozzie saying no? Or was it just incensed fans coming down on Juan?

Some things crossed my mind when reading the story: (1) I saw Kenny Williams play in his only good hitting year (1987) and I don't think he has anything to tell the hitting coach on how to do his job better. But, he is the GM (2) Walker says to keep what happened in the locker room and that is a good way to make sure the fans might never really know what took place here and I for one would like to know what really ignited this issue (3) Going back to KW being the GM and supposedly having authority over the manager and coaches and seeing Jerry intervene makes you wonder about the status of everyone next year (4) Jerry is the owner and the boss and aybe is the cooler head in the case. If changes will be made they wilol be made after the season is over and my guess he will be making them for sure. As Walker said though this has been a very frustrating year

White Sox’ Ken Williams, Greg Walker have heated confrontation BY DARYL VAN SCHOUWEN [email protected] September 2, 2011 10:40PM Reprints11Share White Sox GM Ken Williams (left) and hitting coach Greg Walker got into a heated confrontation on Friday. Related Stories White Sox short on time after fizzling against Tigers After Ozzie asks for extension, boss questions him about it Updated: September 3, 2011 2:06AM DETROIT — The frustration stemming from the shortage of production from Adam Dunn, Alex Rios and Gordon Beckham recently reached a boiling point between ­general manager Ken Williams and hitting coach Greg Walker. Walker took issue with Williams’ comments about Beckham’s swing, and after he and Williams exchanged heated words in the tunnel leading to the Sox clubhouse at U.S. Cellular Field, Williams told Walker to clean out his locker, a source said. When chairman Jerry Reinsdorf was made aware of what happened, things were smoothed over. “I’d rather not comment on it,’’ Walker told the Sun-Times on ­Friday. “What goes on in our clubhouse stays in our clubhouse. It’s been a very frustrating year for a lot of people.’’ Williams told reporters on Aug. 19 he preferred the swing Beckham brought with him from the University of Georgia after he was picked in the first round of the draft to the swing he has now. “As long as Gordon continues to work, I have no problem with it,’’ Walker said Friday. “We’re not satisfied with the results. We’ve looked at it every way we can look at it.’’ None of the Sox coaches are signed beyond this season, and most of them are not confident that they will return despite the backing of manager Ozzie Guillen — who is signed through next season. “There’s an expiration date on all coaches and managers — and players,’’ Walker said. “I had a career as a player and that was over. I’ll wait till the end of the year and I’ll make a decision — or they will make a decision. But in a pennant race with guys fighting as hard as they are, the last thing I want is to be is a distraction or become a story. “My goal to come here was not to be a personality. I came here to help players. I am still doing that every day. Sometimes we’re not getting the results we desire and that’ s part of the business. It’s been very frustrating for everybody involved and that’s all I can say about it.’’ Williams’ comment last month about Beckham’s swing appeared to be a direct hit aimed toward Walker. “Any high fastball, he could get on top if it with his top hand,’’ Williams said then. “But again, as the general manager you sit back and you have to respect the work that your coaches do and you have to respect the desire from the player as to what he thinks will work. “I personally liked the swagger and the cock that he had of his wrists and the loading of his hands when he had the previous swing I spoke of.’’ Walker is as disappointed as the results as anybody. He knew expectations were high after Williams signed Dunn to a $56 million free-agent deal last off-season. “So far we haven’t played well and our department is a big part of it,’’ Walker said. “So yeah, I’ve been frustrated about it just like everybody else. But I’m not the story. I’m just a hitting coach. It’s an important role but in the big picture it’s way down the food chain.’’

I would think Escobar might play in a game or two to rest Alexei

Reed was the one there was a question about being brought up, but his record would seem to support the move

Konerko

Viciedo

AJP

I'll wait and read it in the newspaper If it's in the newspaper you know it must be true

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 11:43 PM) I agree. But Rios was a risk and he is paying the price, and the Jackson/Hudson deal was bad from the start. I definitely blame him for that. And the Teahen extension. And the poor situation on the farm, though there are outside factors there. I personally feel its pretty clear that Ozzie is more at fault here than KW, but that doesn't mean Kenny doesn't share some of the blame. 2 out of three I certainly agree with you on. Not certain about Rios as no players were involved, but we took on a lot of money for a failing player for sure. The trade for Hudson is a head scratcher and the trade period for Teahan made no sense to me at the time. We could have kept Juan Uribe for thirdbase if nothing else.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 08:58 PM) I rather see Lillibridge strike out than Dunn. With Dunn, you already know what's going to happen, with Lilly, you don't know. That brings up the question of why AJP was sent to AAA to rehab when he could have been with the Sox. If AJ was here I would have taken my chances with him pinch hitting over Dunn.

This weekend in Detroit! Let us bow our heads in prayer and ask for divine guidance as we smite those Tigers. I know people will say God doesn't take sides in a sports event, but this is the SOX for crying our loud

After this lead in post I am guessing several police agencies will be monitoring theirt highways. They are cracking down after all. We are still in it all the way until out of it. We can beat the Nordic god

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 07:04 PM) 2012 would be a 4th chance. As I said family is strong

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 04:56 AM) You're preaching to the choir. I'd say about 98 percent of this board at this point realizes that Ozzie is incompetent. Strong statement to make that Ozzie and/or Kenny are incompetent. I have seem some incompetent leaders come out on top because their people are winners. I think both are a bit reckless in their decision making, which is fine if they win, but if they lose they are called ... well, incompetent. One thing for certain, and this is just me feeling, this year has been one of the most unsettling and plain troubling I can remember for many years.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 06:56 PM) So you think we're going to win the World Series? That has nothing to do with it. Jerry might feel that there are a lot of issues this season but that KW and Ozzie are like sons to him and deserve a second chance in 2012. Family is strong.

Some moves must be made. Possibly SF taking Rios and us taking Rowand is one of those deals. Aaron may only be a 4th OF'er at this point though. Texas may also be in the market for another OF'er though. Could Aaron be headed there? I would like to think KW might get to Texas and offer them Rios, but their need is short term with Nelson Cruz hurt.

I think it is probable both will be back.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 10:13 PM) Peavy cost the team another win. I don't think Jake gets himself warmed up enough to start some games. He has ssaid as much on at least one occassion if I remember right. It's harder for him to get loose either from that shoulder problem or otherwise. It took him an inning and six runs today. And then we have arleief pitcher who gives up another homer. We see enough of that too

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 10:11 PM) Guys, the clean-up hitter position is just one spot in the order...it won't make or break the team. I said that before

I understand and to a point agree with lefty-righty pecentages, but Dunn can't hit the broadside of a barn right now. Every at bat I find myself holding my breath and hoping against hope he is going to pull it off. The outcome of todays game though was set in the top of the first inning. Peavy was not ready.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 07:47 PM) Are you serious? Why would you put your worst hitter in the #4 hole? You either don't play him or bury him in the back of the lineup. Becasue if we have him in the #9 spot and #8 gets on then our worse hitter screws that up too. I agree that maybe he shouldn't play. Dunn and Rios should sit if they can't contribute

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 08:44 PM) How could anyone with half a brain prefer Rios in that spot over the Tank? Does it really matter where "bad" gets put?