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I think that is a WISE move to sign Dewayne WISE. He has speed and showed some clutch hitting and also is a decent OF'er. Very much worth the money

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 12, 2008 -> 03:52 AM) He and Jenks are the only arbitration eligible players on the roster guaranteed to be tendered a contract, Wise and Carrasco are also eligible but are likely candidates to be cut loose tomorrow night. I imagine Jenks will get something like $5.2M. Hard for me to believe that either one will be cut lose, but I guess anything can happen

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 07:06 PM) I realize this is highly dependent on who we get, too, but I don't think I'd mind keeping him at second and trying to acquire a SS or, if Lillibridge impresses, let him start there. You must think highly of Lillibridge?!

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 10:24 PM) please close this thread, no more pipe dream angels talks. Right on.. Sounds like we are supposed to do the Angels a favor

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:33 PM) The White Sox have the inside track on free agent outfielder Bobby Abreu, according to the New York Daily News. The Chi Sox would likely want to move Jermaine Dye first and have been in talks with the Reds to do just that. Abreu, 34, batted .296/.371/.471 last season with 20 home runs and 100 RBI. He also stole 22 bases. It's going to take at least a three-year deal to ink him. Dec. 11 - 8:39 am et Source: New York Daily News Sounds like the NY news media trying to start something. Just how much would ABREU cost and what would be the reason we would wanht BABreu over JDye? I would rather have Jermaine. He is a better hitter and field player then Abreu IMO

This is from MLB Blog Rumors: Interesting that the Reds want to trade Bailey because of their concerns he will ever throw strikes consistently and the folks think Sox are only too willing to take hiim on and give up a top player for the guy. I agree that Dye-Thome and/or Konerko might get traded, but we should expect value for them in return. Bailey by himself doesn't even approach J Dye talent wise. Bailey trade talk would seem more in the line of a potential starting OF'er or a 4th or 5th OF'er on the team and not a starter with 35-45 homer 100 plus RBI history Stay on top of all the latest offseason moves and Hot Stove rumors with MLB.com's team of writers.Results tagged “White Sox” from Hot Stove Blog Dye-for-Bailey not dead yet? I know GM Walt Jocketty has denied the rumors about the Reds sending young pitcher Homer Bailey to the White Sox for OF Jermaine Dye publicly, but don't be shocked if Homer does get dealt at some point. Some folks have said there's some truth to the Dye-for-Bailey rumor and here's why: The Reds need a right-handed No. 3 hitter to put between the young guys (Votto and Bruce). Dye and Reds manager Dusty Baker know each other well and get along. The Reds are not sure Bailey will ever throw strikes consistently because of too much length in his arm action. That also might keep him from finding consistency with his breaking ball. Add into the mix that there's pressure from Reds ownership on Jocketty to make something happen and it's possible this isn't done yet. -- Jonathan Mayo Posted on December 8, 2008 at 1:12 PMPermalinkComments (0) Tags: Homer Bailey, Jermaine Dye, Reds, White Sox Report any abuse or spam Jocketty denies Dye-Bailey rumor On Sunday night, Reds general manager Walt Jocketty categorically denied a report from the Dayton Daily News that young starting pitcher Homer Bailey was traded to the White Sox for outfielder Jermaine Dye. The story cited an anonymous source saying the deal was done and would be announced by the end of the week. "Wrong. It's not even close," Jocketty said of the rumor. There have been talks between the Reds and White Sox involving Dye, but they do not appear to be currently active. "We haven't had any discussions with the White Sox since before Thanksgiving," Jocketty told MLB.com. -- Mark Sheldon Posted on December 7, 2008 at 10:49 PMPermalinkComments (0) Tags: Homer Bailey, Jermaine Dye, Reds, Walt Jocketty, White Sox Report any abuse or spam

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 04:16 PM) Wow, it's amazing how many people have no idea what Jermaine Dye has done for this organization. If he's traded for Bailey, that's fine with me, because the organization is being thrown on it's head right now and when you can get a talent like Bailey (in this situation) you do it. However, someone actually typed that Jermaine Dye is trash. Despite the many ways that baseball-wise this is inaccurate (I'll start with the fact that he's been our best hitter over the last four years), but he's also a great guy and probably, actually very easily, a top 5 White Sox for me. I love him. Some of you fans are ridiculous (anyone who would call JD trash) and can go back to the North Side where you were before 2005. I agree with you Steve9347 on some of the absolute ridiculous statements made about Dye. Jermanine Dye is a winner and is a main reason this team won last year and in 2005. To trade him even up for Homer Bailey is absolute trash itself. We take on someone elses underachiever thinking good ole Coop can turn him around while losing a team leader and proven star. I can't belive this deal might even be considered.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Dec 6, 2008 -> 07:31 PM) In defense of OC...and this probably applies to Swish too they were brought in here for some leadership and to bring an air of "looseness" to the clubhouse which couldn't get a greased BB through their asses the last few years. When both arrived there were heavy expectations on them and they really didn't know exactly how there were supposed to/or expected to act instead of just being themselves and relax. I think we would see a different OC is he comes back...or was just shown a little love. Swish...a good chance he could have been different...but with that headcase you never know. Of the two...it's more likely OC would fit it much better and be relaxed at the start of the year. Seems like everything's on hold until the OC situation is resolved. One example...especially in Swish's case...that goofy-ass marketing campaign with him doing "the worm"...pretty much condoning being a goofball...which seemed to annoy everybody towards the end of the year. No argument here. I think you are correct as to why they were brought to the Sox.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 06:37 PM) So you are saying having it cost you a first round draft pick doesn't shrink OC's market in any way? Interesting. Its also proper baseball business to accept arbitration if it is offered, without snide remarks about how you are destined to the bench which, if true, we all know isn't based on baseball decisions. It looks like the Dodgers are after Jack Wilson now and he's willing to restructure his contract to get there, so the list of OC's possible suitors probably gets shorter, and the teams remaining probably are looking for bargains. I don't think OC stays with the Sox, but if he does it's not the worse thing that could happen to us. My guess is there is still plenty of teams that could use a gold glove shortstop who can hit.

I would have to argue with Kalapse and say that OC is not an "underwhelming" SS. He is a great defensive player and can hit. However, I don't think he is a good fit personalitywise on the Sox. If we bring him back where does all the moving around of Ramirez to SS and a new 2Bman? We will see 3/4th on our infield basically changing with OC gone and if he stays the only position different will be 3B. I would rather see the draft picks come our way.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 6, 2008 -> 02:22 AM) Jenks should not be used to acquire a group of prospects, unless one is elite. Major league starters need to be brought back for Jenks and/or Dye. Exactly! We are getting into this cycle of thinking we will just take fringe players or think we are getting the other teams top prospects who are not ready for the bigs and believing we will be contenders next year or even in 2010. You don't give up your top players for less than major league ready impact players in my opinion. I have said it before and that's that we seem to value our own players way to little

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 03:13 AM) rotoworld said his shoulders are so f***ed up that he probably won't make it I would believe it though, just because it's worth a shot. MLB Trade Rumors says: White Sox Sign Van Benschoten By Tim Dierkes [December 5 at 10:22am CST] According to MLB.com's Jenifer Langosch, the White Sox signed former Pirates first-round pick John Van Benschoten to a minor league deal. JvB posted a 3.92 ERA in 80.1 Triple A innings this year, with less-than-exciting peripheral stats. His Major League trials have not gone well. Van Benschoten had surgery to repair a labrum tear and remove a cyst in his pitching shoulder in January of '05, and the shoulder continued to bother him the following year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 02:52 AM) They might try and make him a hitter. He can hit when they play interleague at the NL park. Other than that we might be looking at 2 or 3 years before he might be ready for the bigs as a position player

QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 11:05 PM) Let's see if we can call Kenny's move. I don't mind going into the season with 1 starter slot open, but 2 is too much. Luke Hudson was released from the Royals - He was a top prospect once? Can Coop fix whatever is wrong with him, I don't know the situation? Daniel Cabrera - If non-tendered, Kenny will be very excited Chad Gaudin - Solid #4 or #5 in my eyes...might be non-tendered by Cubs. Any other Kenny type pitchers out there? We have signed the free agent from the Pirates, who might be an under the radr arm, but to continue with the thought process of "COOP can fix em," is a bit out there. Most of these signings would be going to AAA probably, or working with the team in ST so it's really a question of can the organizations coaches fix em. Cooper is a good pitching coach, but not a miracle worker.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 02:56 AM) Yes. I'm being very logical. The point you are missing is he made Cabrera less attractive on the open market by offering arbitration. A typical bench player isn't worth the draft picks let alone the 8 figure salary. Then trying to intimidate or suggest he not accept the offer, and that if he did, he would be on the bench. For a team that supposedly is at its payroll threshold now, per KW, it makes zero sense to have an $11-12 million player riding pine. The greivance I believe wouldn't be so much about riding pine as much as the comments made. Trying to influence a decision and a right through scare tactics. I really don't hate KW. II just don't drink his kool-aid with every meal. I am pretty neutral about Cabrera, but KW didn't make him less attractive on the open market. What he did was ensure the Sox benefited in some way - this being the draft picks- when OC signed with anothet team. It's just proper baseball bizness.

QUOTE (Fotop @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 11:23 PM) A few things: 1) It's best not to speculate on this type of stuff? This is a message board, correct? Hate to be so blunt/flippant, but what else would there be to talk about this time of year? 2) We have no idea what happened between ATL/SD. For all we know they were a player off or something and some of the guys we got from ATL were mentioned at some point in discussions. 3) I should have clarified, if we were to get Peavy it'd be a grab bag of the prospects we got from the yanks, atlanta, and some of our own most likely. 4) A couple guys potentially involved (marquez, fields, lillibridge, poreda, etc) are major league ready. It's not like they're going to get 4 ML ready players for Peavy...Santana only commanded one, why is Peavy different? OK! You go ahead and speculate all you want.

QUOTE (Nokona @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 10:34 PM) Do you not get AM radio? Not to mention XM satelite

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 07:28 PM) Unless KW has a master plan with free agency, he really shouldn't go through with this. We would be giving up a lot that's for sure and I don't think it's a great deal for us to be making. For the Mets maybe but not the Sox

QUOTE (Fotop @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 02:54 PM) Call me crazy, but could the Javy deal be the launching point paving the way for Peavy to come to the White Sox? I'm sure there's no trade clauses and such to be sorted, but I for one would welcome this idea. I'm sure we'd have to relinquish some of our guys as well (Fields? Poreda? the standard speculation) but if you can turn this into a Vasquez + prospects for Peavy deal (essentially), I say you do it. A right handed, legitimate power pitcher, would profile nicely in our rotation. Peavy/Buerhle/Floyd/Danks/5th is solid. Furthermore, SD is in a bind...the payroll restrictions are tying up everything they need to get done. They have said they need to move Peavy, so why not us? Thoughts? Am I nuts? Has this already been talked about extensively and I missed it? It's best not to speculate on this type of stuff. I would think that if the prospects you mention were coveted by SD they would have made a trade with Atlanta and not the Sox. Ours sytem is pretty thin at the major league ready level plus those top prospects and a regualr or two from the Sox would be a real high price to pay for a pitcher from SD.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 10:18 PM) Lillibridge has pop, speed, and disipline. Plus, he can play SS/Cf. Reyes was the #8 prospect in the Braves organization. We're talking Javy here, not Peavy. We should seriously considering taking a deal built around these two players. We are also talking a pitcher that K's 200 a year and gives you 200 innings. This isn't afire sale of Javy Vazquez because he mleted at the end of the season. I agree with DBAHO that we can do better but we don't have the full particulars yet. I figured Vaz would be traded and that's fine, but hopefully we get back good value

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 03:47 AM) If we get the two draft picks then the Garland-Cabrera deal is full of even more win. Maybe we will sign Garland as a free agent pitcher? I personally think we should offer Uribe arbitration, but I can aslo see the other side of things. I am guessing we will go with our younger and cheaper players instead of spending 4 or 5 million for Juan Uribe.

Obviusly some ineresting names on the "bargain" free agent list, but really how much of abargain are we talking about with Pedro Martinez and Randy Johnson and some others with a decent past record in the bigs? I can't see Johnson or Martinez signing for bargain rates. Maybe with a lot of bonus money it would be worth it for the Sox to consider, but the egos of guys like that might make it real difficult if not impossible to entice them with a deal like that. I am sure they will want alot of money up front.

Why would KW be interested in Bailey for Dye? Bailey gives up a lot of homeruns and had an ERA near 8.00 last season and almost 6.00 the year before. Reading some other posts makes me wonder all over again just what evaluation process do some fans use when rating Sox players? Comenst lioke getting rid of Thome. Thome fills the role he is in at DH with the best of DH's in the AL

I saw the story about Freddie Garcia too. My thoughts were how unfortunate for Freddie. I reallty liked him, but physically I don't know if he can rebound or not. That's a real shame.

QUOTE (Rex Hudler @ Nov 28, 2008 -> 01:32 AM) Been to 8 Winter Meetings, from 1996-2003, two in Boston, two in Nashville, two in New Orleans and Dallas and Anaheim. There isn't much to do for fans as it is primarily a business conference. Basically the Winter Meetings are a convention for Minor League Baseball and MLB teams have found it good since a lot of people are all in the same place at the same time. Typically, MLB teams are there and having meetings and a dinner with their Minor League affiliates, there is a job fair, a trade show, some banquets and a lot of schmoozing. Baseball Operations folks are having planning meetings, discuss trades, and then go into the Rule V draft. Access will be limited basically to hotel common areas, bars, lobbies, etc. There will be some familiar faces roaming around, often looking hurried or stopping to talk to old cronies, but there will be mostly faces you don't know. My guess, with Vegas being the host, you won't see a lot of people at the hotel in the evening hours. New Orleans was the same way. Here are a few fun Winter Meetings experiences... 1. In Dallas, Tommy Lasorda was "holding court" in the Atrium at the Anatole Hotel until 2am. There were probably 40-50 people still up and hanging out drinking and listening to Tommy tell stories. He was hilarious, but times like this are rare, or you just have to be at the right place at the right time. 2. In Nashville, I was walking to the trade show an bumped into Peter Gammons coming out of the Media room. I asked him what was going on and he said the Dodgers had just signed Kevin Brown to a $120 million dollar deal and he was going on air to discuss it right then. I turned left and he turned right and we parted ways. 3. Each year at the meetings they have a Gala that is a lot of fun. When they are in an MLB city the Gala is always at the ballpark. Certain areas are open, there are typically locker room tours, etc. In Dallas, they did a really nice job with a reception in the club museum and a huge spread in the bar/suite area behind home plate. They also had a station with Cuervo 1800 shots and another where a Mexican was hand rolling cigars. After a few shots we noticed the cigar line getting long so we jumped in. While we were getting close a girl with Rangers ID tag came up and asked the roller how many he had left. They checked the box he kept the plugs in and she left. About two minutes later, she came back and said Mr. Hicks (the Rangers owner) needs 6 for a celebration. He rolled six for her and she was on her way. We got ours, smoked them (they were damned cigars, btw) and drank the rest of the night and didn't think much else about it. The next morning as we were checking out of the hotel to fly back, it was announced that the Rangers signed Alex Rodriguez for $250. So that was the celebration she spoke of. 4. Our owner had a dinner each year for everyone from his clubs (he had 6 or 7). In Anaheim, we had dinner catered into to the hotel. After a cocktail reception, I sat down at the dinner table and introduced myself to those around me that I did not know. I shook the hand of the guy next to me and he said his name was Steve Yeager. I asked which club he worked for and what he did. Funny thing is, I had no clue that it was the same Steve Yeager that won a World Series as a catcher with the Dodgers. He was doing some consulting work at the time for the club in San Bernadino and I had no clue. I wasn't expecting to run into a for player at a minor league dinner so I looked like an idiot. Of course, it was 30 seconds later that I noticed the World Series ring on his hand. He was cool though and we had a nice conversation over dinner. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Mostly it is just a lot of food, drink and meeting people from other clubs and visiting with old friends. Oh and you mix in a little work during the day sometimes too. Those are great stories and memories Rex. Thanks for sharing