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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 05:01 PM) Daniel Cabrera is another intimidating physical presence that would/could be a Cooper project...as long as he still has his 94-98 MPH fastball. That's the other guy I thought we be a nice target. My thinking being having a package starting with Javy and Getz (and fill in the blank(s) with possibly JD) for Cabrera and Roberts. Don't flame...it's a starting point. But if you're gonna deal with the O's...make it a type of blockbuster.

I don't think anybody's questioning Javy's stuff...I think they're questioning his mental fortitude. This year it was giving back runs the next inning or giving up a big inning...as well as not coming through in the big games. Last year was he'd have a meltdown in either the 5th or 6th inning and taxing the bullpen every outing. I think with Javy...it's just mental. I honestly think Kenny would be spending good money to have an onstaff sports psychologist with some of the guys on the roster. Like some have said...if the return is good...sure. But I wouldn't deal him just to deal him.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 12:10 PM) If his range is an issue, all the more reason why he'll be a 3B or 2B when he hits the majors. Also, Dustin Pedroia's swing looks kind of "choppy" to me as well, and that's worked out OK. After seeing him down here I think it's safe to say his future position will be 2B...which he showed outstanding range IMO. In the few games I've seen him in he made some absolutely incredible plays with a ton of range. Not too worried out range with him. And like false alarm said...he's not getting a whole lot of PT (about every 3rd game or so).

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 04:33 PM) Foolish to decline an option that pays an above average starter less than 10 million. That's what I was thinkin' too...that's a REEEEEALLY attractive salary to have on a pitcher like him to dangle as trade bait. Not sure what the hell the Dodgers were thinking.

Kenny...start dialing!

Maybe BA was on a recruiting assignment: I'd be on the phone with Penny in a heartbeat. Solve the problem finding a replacement for Javy if he's moved.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 02:29 PM) Ugh, no thanks. ^^^^^ what he said...

Jesus...Chambliss is 59?!? Damn I feel old. Overall I really like the moves and the commitment to development.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 06:48 PM) If they steal a base, great...but taking an extra base is more important with this team. You're assuming that somebody coming up with somebody on 1st or 2nd could actually get a basehit instead of swingin' for the fences. That's what we're missing.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 02:03 PM) ...and people think Vazquez has a bad contract. Good Lord!?!....wasn't aware of that albatross. Next....

Anybody know much about Rangers prospect Elvis Andrus and if they're high enough on him they might be inclined to move Michael Young for Javy?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 11:42 AM) I hope you guys arent saying weeks for javy. Thats an awful return. JJ Hardy is probably the key player we could get back for Javy from the Brewers. That I would do IN A SECOND! I'm kind of "meh" about Weeks...

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 30, 2008 -> 08:16 PM) Like I've been saying for the past 2 years; if a team desperate for a closer wants to make a ridiculous offer for Jenks I'd jump all over it. I don't know if Matt Thornton would make a good closer or not, his success in the role would likely hinge on his ability to command his slider more so than his mental makeup. If the Sox are getting a king's ransom for Jenks then no, I don't have a problem with them making Matt Thornton the closer. He could fail and the Sox would be stuck looking for a new 9th inning man but he's yet to be given the opportunity to fail and anyone who says otherwise is mistaken. Jenks will make something like $3.5M next year in his first year of arbitration eligibility, if he has a good season he's looking at $6.5-$7M in '09 and it just goes up from there. He's still overweight, has a screw in his elbow and isn't exactly dominant so he can't be an untouchable like a Papelbon for example. Good points Kalapse....sums it up very well. thanks.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 30, 2008 -> 07:31 PM) So when was it exactly that Matt Thornton was thrust into the closer's role and struggled this past season? Because that never happened. Here's a post of mine from earlier this month: ---------------------------------------------------------- During Bobby's absence Matt Thornton got 1 save opportunity and converted it successfully, getting the one out necessary to record the save. Not a single time during Jenks' absence did Matt Thornton start the final inning of a ballgame in which the White Sox had the lead (the standard save situation). He pitched mainly in the 7th and 8th inning during that stretch including some work in the 9th of a tied ballgame. Hell Matt Thornton pitched in much bigger situations over the final month of the season than he did in Jenks' absence and kicked ass. By my count there were only 5 save opportunities during Jenks' absence. Thornton, Dotel and Linebrink all recorded 1 save each and Linebrink blew 2 more. If anyone came to the conclusion that Matt Thornton didn't have the "closer's mentality" during the 16 games Bobby Jenks missed in July (in which Matt Thornton had 1 save opportunity) then they're fooling themselves. ok...so what side of the fence are you on? Trade Jenks and have Thornton for the closer or not? We get it....but what's you're actual point of view of Thornton as a closer besides telling people they're wrong?

QUOTE (MO2005 @ Oct 30, 2008 -> 04:16 PM) I say sign Olivo 100 billion percent!! When he was with the Sox I always said, man he would be a great backup..and man does he have an arm...Can you imagine late in the game..tie game..with a guy who can throw someone out trying to steal..or at least put pressure on an opponent! IIRC he was absolutely crushed when the Sox dealt him. He loved it here. I'd take him back in a heartbeat!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 30, 2008 -> 03:08 PM) I can understand saying that about Sonnanstine perhaps, maybe Balfour and Wheeler in their pen, but other than that who would you say had a career year for them? Well maybe not career years...I probably should have said played over their heads. Right off the top of my I'll say Pena, Iwamura, Shields.... and does anybody think Dioner Navarro will hit close to .300 again? Again...not saying they're not a good team or anything...I think they just had a magical year and would be shocked if they did it again next year.

I'd almost bet they end up in 3rd place next year. Some of those guys had career years this past season. Price will be very nice in the rotation though. Not saying they're not good...but I really don't expect the same results next year.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Oct 30, 2008 -> 02:30 PM) Hopefully Hall is done with the Sox. He sounded like a great clubhouse guy, but I think a subtle move that could improve the team a lot is having a good backup catcher. AJ plays too much because the backup catchers haven't offered much. Yeah...I'm sure everybody's gonna miss those shaving cream pies. I look forward to having somebody that can actually throw somebody out.

QUOTE (Kid Gleason @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 07:57 PM) That might be the most anti-climatic ending I have ever seen That's exactly what I just said. To tell ya the truth...I still think the regular season is WAAAAAAAAAAAY to goddamn long. There's no way baseball should still be played at this time of the year (unless it's fall or winter leagues). No wonder nobody cares. NBA is starting, Midnight Madness, NFL, etc... 140-150 games would be plenty and the MLB should be over by the 2nd week of October by the latest.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 03:45 PM) 4-4 now. 2 runs. 3 rbi's. It would be a refreshing change to actually develop some of our own draft picks. Damn!!! Also with a stolen base and also cut down a man at 3B. Have a day! ps. Sorry scenario...probably means you won't see either one of them (Danks/Beckham) tomorrow. Probably Poreda though. Take yer sunscreen...it's still friggin hot as hell out. Still tryin' to wiggle my way out of work tomorrow to get out there....we'll see.

Wow...Jordan Danks already 2-2 on the day with a dinger. As excited as I am about Beckham...I'm really hoping this kid develops into our CF of the future.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 12:41 PM) They were all more or less only steals in hindsight. ALOT of people hated unloading BMAC. I sure as heck wasn't one of them as I offered my services numerous times to pack his bags and drive him to the airport personally. I honestly can't recall ANY trades that made me that happy seeing him sent off. As for Nix...seems like the last time we got a middle infielder from the Rox...it turned out pretty well. I am encouraged by his upside but not getting my hopes up too much.

I simply look at it as Kenny backing the position in anticipation of a deal involving Getz in some package. Nix upside. yes. Production. no.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Oct 24, 2008 -> 05:53 PM) Because Figgins isn't that good of a player. Obviously Figgins has more value to the Sox than most teams, but your selling Konerko short, like a lot of Sox fans do. Let's talk again next year when he gets off slowly or has an injury problem Tony. But I agree that Figgins has more value to the Sox than most teams. Problem I see...is much like Crede when his value was great after the WS win...is cutting guys loose to improve the team overall. Again...don't get me wrong...I love Paulie and what he brings to the table. But there's only a handful of teams Paulie would ok a deal to and Angels being one of them. So the pickens is slim IMO if we need to move either Dye, Paulie or Thome.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 24, 2008 -> 04:10 PM) Not a good trade for the Sox either way See...I don't understand this. Why wouldn't PK for Figgins straight up (with possibly some B prospect to the Sox) be a good move? If there's more there...sure you have to look at it like including some peeps for Santana. But if not you get Paulie's numbers off the book. Move Swish to 1B. Have a versatile player with some speed in the order that would take over the leadoff spot everybody's been b****ing about the last few years. Why is this not good? Don't get me wrong...I love Paulie and all he's done for this franchise...but it's the sum of the whole IMO and what it does for the team in general.