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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 02:17 PM) I would trade both of them for him and a pen prospect to be quite honest. He would be a perfect fit for us considering I think Danks will be a corner guy when he comes up and Rasmus is a plus fielder with a plus plus arm in CF. I disagree. I completely think Danks is a CF from what I've seen of him. And mind you...I'm basing this off of what I've seen...but he just looks SOOO much more comfortable in center than in the corners for some reason. I know this sounds dumb...but it almost looks like he feels "confined" in the corners. GREAT speed. Good arm. I honestly can't see him playing anywhere other than center unless it's an absolute stud young Griffey replacing him. To be honest...I know nothing about Rasmus.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 11:53 PM) It was indeed the exact opposite. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56073 lol@willie's initial reaction. And lmao@fathom/tito in this thread. Dudes went crazy. BWWWWAHAHAHAAAAAAA.... Good God...what a roller coaster thread that was. Thanks for that trip down memory lane.

QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 10:44 PM) How far is the new stadium from your house Wanne? 20 minutes or so... I'm so pumped!!!!!! I'm not sure why they keep saying it's in Glendale. It's actually within the Phoenix city limits on land owned by Glendale (whatever the hell that means). Notice where it is from the football stadium and Jobing.com Arena (if you're familiar with the area). Also hadn't seen this yet either... The rendering above shows what the final project will look like. This image shows the main ballpark from the north, and you can see the small man-made waterway beyond the stadium that separates the White Sox territory (which would be on the upper-right side of this image) from the Dodgers' domain. Note how much larger Chicago's clubhouse -- just beyond the ballpark's right-field fence -- is than LA's. Again, that's because the Dodgers want only the big leaguers in this building. The minor leaguers' locker rooms are several hundred yards to the south.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbac...esoxbuyout.html :pray

QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 08:35 PM) Well... for what it's worth.... A Chicago Tribune poll after the McCarthy trade showed that 69.9% of fans thought it was a mistake. I was in the 30.1%....I was ecstatic with it. Never had much faith in the guy.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 04:42 PM) Well this move doesn't free up any money unless MacDougal refuses the assignment, which he shouldn't. It looks like they're trying to free up spots on the 40 man roster, possibly for the Dec. 8th Rule V Draft deadline. Which the Sox website said stood at 32.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 08:02 PM) Attributes Nick’s struggles to being unlucky, He refers to babip. Says that Swish changed his mechanics (Walker?)leading to a mental Uhhhhhh...ok. Thome even said..."Dude...THESE SHRUNK!..."

QUOTE (Felix @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 08:42 PM) What part of abnormally bad year don't you understand? It's very, very unlikely that he would be as bad as he was last year again, and considering the fact he has a good track record, is still young, and isn't making a ridiculous amount of money, it would make sense to take a risk on him again. Sure, have an insurance plan, but to completely trade him for a bunch of average players is a joke considering the package KW gave up to get him last offseason. You're right. Swisher's higher OPS and VORP mean nothing. Juan was grittier! Not talking about OPS's or VORPs...I'm talking about OVERALL. Juan did an AMAZING job manning the corner the last few months. I think you're in denial about Swisher. I guess you didn't follow the thread. What's been discussed about Swisher on here. Ton's of heresay on post-PED. Off field indulgences. Coaching staff couldn't stand him. Personally I think he's somewhat of a headcase too. Nice guy...sure. But his confidence level was so pathetic it completely ruined him. So good luck with that NY...

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 08:45 PM) -MacDougal jumps from 1.95 to 2.65 Urrrrrrrrrrrgh! What a waste of coin!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 08:40 PM) Dye, Konerko, Vazquez, Buerhle, Contreras, all will make about the same amount of cash. The only players getting fairly big bumps will be Thome, if Philadelphia isn't eating some more contract and Jenks. Everyone else is relatively minor. Swisher $5 million Uribe $4.5 million Crede $5 million Hall $2 million Cabrera $9 million Thats $25 million. Considering they were willing to bust the budget for Torii Hunter, there should be plenty of money to play with. And if they trade Javy or Paulie...that's a boatload to play with. Teixeira anyone?!?....... Javy to the Mets. Paulie to the Halos. Sign Teixeira!!!! I can dream.

QUOTE (Felix @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 08:30 PM) As a whole, Swisher was a more effective player than Uribe last year. As a whole....no...he wasn't.

Ya know...when it's all said and done...Betemit could be a friggin' steal here. One of the Braves top prospects...traded twice, fell out of grace, injured, etc...and never really got any consistent ABs. Maybe he just needed a fresh start.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 06:15 PM) To be honest, this team should be planned around when talent like Danks, Beckham and Allen or Shelby reach the majors. I kind of think that's what he's doing too... But with Kenny...ya never know.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 06:04 PM) It's probably a low to moderate offensive downgrade...but there's plenty of room for it to turn in to an upgrade, and all that needs to happen is for Konerko and God to stay healthy or Anderson/Getz/Nix/Fields/Betimit to step up a notch or two above last year's numbers, and all of those guys are young enough for that to at least be possible. For Paulie not only stay healthy...but be better than pathetic until October (if he's not dealt). Lot's of upside I guess...and I still think Kenny's building more towards 2010. That's why there may not be any big deals (BIG back to us anyway)...no Roberts-type deals.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 05:55 PM) AS of now, next year is looking like C AJ 1b Konerko 2B Getz/NIX 3B Fields/Betemit SS Missle Rf Dye Cf Anderson Lf Q DH Thome Don't call me out on this, because i think we'll get a CF (not TAVERAS!) But in two years it gets really juicy. We're talking Allen, Beckham, Danks 2, Viciedo, Armstrong and maybe even Shelby on the bench, Can't see how this is a better team offensively from last year....probably a tad worse IMO. Guess it all depends what Getz/Nix, Fields/Betemit bring to the table. Can't remember who posted it earlier...but I'm still not 100% comfortable just handing the SS position over to Lexi.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 04:23 PM) I know for a fact that 3 coaches absolutely hated Swisher and his act. I think I mentioned that a few weeks ago. One coach in particular. Interesting. Never heard that. On one hand it surprises me...but in the overall picture...not really. I somewhat feel sorry for Swish...but he made his own bed. Still think it's a precurser to another deal.

QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 12:16 PM) I was curious about the name of the AFL team... the Saguaros. Especially since I found out when I went to the games that I was pronouncing it wrong. Damn tourist. Too funny scenario. Saguaros...not to be confused with the other Peoria team.... The Javelinas.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 10, 2008 -> 06:40 PM) I crunched the numbers a few months ago, I'm sure a search on Google could turn them up, according to my research Matt Holliday hit nearly as poorly in the ballparks outside of the NL West as he did in the pitcher's parks of his home division. Things may have changed over the past few months but earlier this season you couldn't use that excuse legitimately. Matt Holliday is a good hitter (I have him down for a high .800 OPS in a pitcher's park next season) and possibly a better all-around ballpayer than he's given credit for but I don't believe he's one of the best hitters of his generation despite what his overall numbers might say. Good hitter...yes. But I think his defense makes Swish look like a Gold Glover IMO.

QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 10, 2008 -> 05:59 PM) I just spent some time on an A's board looking for their fans' perspective. Interesting... Most felt it was a fair deal... and they're pleased with A's management stepping up and adding an all-star caliber offensive player. The only player who triggered any potential regret was Gonzales... but the consensus seems to be that the team is pretty deep in outfield prospects and so he was expendable. I can understand them being pleased with it now...but what about when he walks next year? I'm still having trouble seeing the overall plan by Beane here...unless he plans on ponying up the dough to keep him (which I highly doubt).

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 10, 2008 -> 03:56 PM) So, the A’s just traded a solid #3 starter, a guy with the potential to be the next Carlos Beltran, and an above-average Reliever for one-year of a good hitter playing in an excellent hitters park. I love Billy Beane, but this I don’t get. I'm with you...I really don't get this from the A's perspective. Seems to go against Beane's MO. Not saying what he's giving up are sure things...but basically for one year and getting a couple of picks back. Unless he is planning on flipping him...

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 9, 2008 -> 08:36 PM) Not disagreeing with the trade at all. Rowand is not worth the kind of money he's getting now, certainly not in the AL. It was the idea that at the time, we had a ton of depth (Reed, Young, Anderson, Rowand) at that position...we just picked the wrong player to hold onto. I guess if KW didn't ask for money back on the Vazquez/Vizcaino deal, we might have been able to get away with giving them Anderson instead of Chris Young. We'll never know. Not only what Dick Allen said...but for the fact that giving the DBacks Anderson would more than likely meant that they wouldn't have given up Q the next year. Can't have your cake and eat it too.... I'm having a hard time understanding what it is you're arguing.... The thread... Trade Jenks. (yes if it's a good return) Don't trade Jenks. (not if the return sucks)

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 9, 2008 -> 08:11 PM) Sure...and we should have traded Cotts and Politte after 2005 as well...and Crede. Marte, at the time, was not only one of the best LH relief pitchers in baseball...he had a great contract. Of course, hindsight being 20/20, it's easy to reach the conclusion that KW should have traded him...or Borchard. Heck, we had so many first round draft picks and pitching prospects go down with injuries...we might have traded the likes of Parque, Barcelo, Danny Wright, Matt Ginter, Jason Stumm, Jon Rauch (who was at one time close to the best pitching prospect in the game), etc. Just think if we had traded both Borchard and Rauch at their peaks? Well, it's impossible to predict the future...just like picking stocks. All we can do is make educated guesses. Apparently, KW's educated guess to hold onto Brian Anderson and dump Aaron Rowand was the wrong one. Not the idea itself, but the player he felt could replace Rowand. Maybe BA will redeem himself, but I doubt it happens in Chicago. We shall see. a. You pretty much made my point a page or two back about the Sox should have traded Crede after the WS and how it relates to trading Bobby right now...as I said hindsight. Depends on the package. As for trading ARow...hard to say that was the wrong choice IMO when you brought in Jim Thome.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Nov 9, 2008 -> 03:45 PM) Possibly at either 2B or 3B, depending on how Getz/Nix and Fields do. I still think it'll be 2B. I'm curious as to if they're considering him at 3rd. If that was the case..why no time there in the AFL? Speaking of 3rd...Brett Wallace is still NOT a good 3rd baseman. I know his position is occupied by Pujols right now...but I think they should give Wallace time at 1st where he played his entire time at ASU before his senior year. He's just not very smooth over at 3rd...like a bull in a china shop. Gordon could very well be determining what they're going to do at 2B this season (eliminating going after guys like Roberts IMO) if they think he'll be ready by 2010. btw...he turns a damn nice DP from 2nd from what I've seen.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 9, 2008 -> 04:22 PM) It's a clusterf*** of hyperbole. LOL...well said.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 9, 2008 -> 02:13 PM) Then you would have been against trading Marte after 2003. You would have been against trading Shingo in 2004. Obviously, no one here is saying give him away. If you can get a lot for him, it should be considered for a guy with all his red flags who pitches 65 innings a year. If 2 years from now he gets eight figures, $10,000,000 for 65 innings is over $150k/per inning. I know it's hingsight...but could you imagine what we would have gotten for Crede after the WS?.....