Jake

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 11:22 AM) It would be such a huge lift for this organization if he can turn into a steady contributor. Would really vindicate the player development staff as Trayce was as raw as anyone.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 09:54 AM) He wants to be a point guard, not a forward. I think that's mostly what it comes down to. I think he finds a guy posting up to be fairly easy to scheme against, defensively. He can do it here and there, but after one game of it against Indy they totally squashed it.

Mitchell's season was a little disappointing last year, but good god has this season been bad. I can't imagine what the problem is. It's Dunn-like. I feel bad for the guy, honestly.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 11:01 AM) I'd go 1. E. Johnson 2. C. Hawkins 3. T. Anderson 4. T. Thompson 5. C. Sanchez 6. C. Beck 7. J. Phegley 8. M. Johnson 9. T. Danish 10. T. Michalczewski Although at this point it could be a bunch of different players. I'm fairly fond of this group and order, though I feel like Phegley is one of the hardest ones to pin down. At one point in time, a season like this at any level could have had at or near the top for us. Now he's playing out of his mind in AAA, isn't too old for the level, but nobody is quite ready to crown him yet. I am just as conflicted. The main weakness to this list, IMO, is that none of these players (short of Phegley) appear to be close to the MLB. Johnson might be able to cut it now and should be ready by next season is all goes well, but after that it isn't looking so good. We would have Sanchez would be ready to arrive by next season, but that is in doubt. Maybe Trayce could be a year a way, but that seems optimistic as well.

It didn't sound right, but I assumed IK probably had a friend that was sick of dicking with his computer. People can be like that sometimes. I've been given stuff like that just because the original owner didn't want to continue stressing about it.

This game is fun.

Coach Pop > me

Manu starting tonight. Interesting move, as they've been winning in spite of him for quite a while. He makes the Wade/Bosh struggles look like nothing

It's just adding an insult to injury. I have a feeling that he is motivated and doesn't like striking out while traveling all around the Carolinas. I'm sure he has plenty of motivation to become a White Sox and not strike out every other trip to the plate. Give him some time, the fact that he did well in a few games in Kannapolis tells me that he didn't work with that coach at all and probably doesn't have a rapport with any of the team's coaches and probably has spent more time with a roving instructor ala what Jeff Manto was doing before he became our hitting coach.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 04:33 PM) How many girls do you even hear about playing HS baseball, the size/strength differences start appearing real quick. Someone can kiss my ass if Jennie Finch couldn't have been a HS baseball player

It's a total crapshoot, especially if you're not picking number 1 overall. The costs of picking first overall are just too high to justify the potential payoff. Let that happen when your whole team accidentally gets hurt or when you're a small market team that can't afford to compete.

Wanting to compete this year has not affected our ability to trade at the deadline

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 03:41 PM) Jake, if you start to trade Rios and Peavy, you're basically giving up on next year also. When organizations get in trouble is when they try to rebuild while contending. It's very hard to look at the roster without Rios and Peavy and think this team can even sniff competing against the powerhouse Tigers. There is a good chance that we don't even feel the loss of Peavy, production wise. Rios hurts which is why I would want the most for him and why I wouldn't be eager to move him unless someone gives me exactly what I want. If you got a high level prospect like Olt, there is a slight chance that he ends up being a just-as-important position player in the next year and almost certainly in the second year if all pans out. The way I would do it is you try to bring enough in for next season that it looks like a .500 team -- and sometimes those teams happen to take off. You continue building through that year, maybe trade off a guy or two if you fall out of it and hope to be really ready the next season. We're going to have a decent amount of money to play with and you have to count on getting players that make you better in these trades and maybe, just maybe, somebody of our own contributes offensively in that time. Maybe a Phegley, maybe a Sanchez or Johnson, maybe Dayan breaks out. This isn't the NBA...it doesn't really pay to be bad. A high draft pick is great, but not worth all the costs of losing. Teams can be rebuilt quickly with some savvy. We've seen it before (2005, anyone?).

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 03:29 PM) He's 20 years old in AAA. Offensively he hasn't been horrible and from reading accounts his defense has been very good. Let him play in Charlotte this year and next and see if he can play in the majors at the old age of 22 in 2015. He has been horrible offensively. I'm not writing him off, but he has been horrible this year and that is disappointing. By no means do I think he is a lost cause.

QUOTE (Joxer_Daly @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 03:55 PM) Yep! Hawk hasn't bothered me in the slightest, to be honest. Anyone else feed go funny during that last inning or is it just my computer/internet connection? Only cynics and non-Sox fans dislike Hawk. Hawk is especially awesome if you are new to the game.

Carlos Sanchez has been really disappointing this year.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 03:13 PM) I just can't see how Hawkins staying in High A and striking out at such a ridiculously high rate is a what's best for him. His K rate is absurd. I don't think the level of play has anything to do with it, which is the only reason I say he stays there. Could be a huge blow emotionally to get sent down and I would assume that the K rate would be just as high if he goes down to low A and doesn't change anythign else.

Nate Jones appears to be a changed man

LOL at what Crowe did

That is easily an error on Gordon Beckham. Quit bulls***ting

QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 02:57 PM) Carlos Torres also pitched for the Mets today...I'd rather see him out there than Nate Jones. The Cubs swept a bad team, and the Sox may get swept by an even worse team. What's wrong with this picture? WHAT?

woooooooooooooooo

Stone criticizing Flowers for setting up too early. I remember Hector being interviewed on the Score in the preseason and talking about how much he liked throwing to Tyler because he gave him a good, early target with his mitt.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 02:47 PM) If you give up Peavy and Rios, it's unlikely one team would be willing to give up enough in return to make it worth it for the Sox. I would be asking for a lot more for Rios than Peavy if it were me.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 02:45 PM) Matt Garza We can fill two of their holes in one move. Kablam