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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 05:15 PM) I really wanna know what that last deal Hahn was close to making. Stone said it was a major deal, names just aren't out. Anybody wonder that? I'm more interested in whether this deal can be recreated in the offseason

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 03:26 PM) It'd really suck to just make Dayan's arm totally useless. This isn't necessarily a permanent move, of course. It just buys you time with Rios so you don't have to just dump him to get Garcia ABs

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 02:13 PM) It's kinda like, have you ever gone to play NBA Live after playing NBA 2K for a long time? You find out the button you think is the pass button and it's actually the shoot button and you end up heaving 70-foot shots? LOL yes or switching from Halo to COD

It would be really cool if Dayan could play 3B I remember when we signed him and we were hearing that he used to be a great SS in the Cuban league

Seems like a good enough way to get all of the young guys at bats. In the "we might win next year if everything goes right" scenario, we are much better off with Dunn at DH than at 1B

I get the feeling that people are predicting that he'll be a 2B rather than SS because they don't know much about his defense and it is simply easier to predict the less optimistic outcome. I think he looks good at SS.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 03:05 PM) I disagree. Career high at swinging at pitches out of the zone, identical walk rate, much less power. O-Contact is way up as is overall contact. "Much" less power is debatable. If he hits a homer today, his ISO is going to be pretty much identical. And this is without factoring in recent trends, in which we know he's been much better.

I'm left-handed and hold it in my left and I kind of like where it is...not that I really think twice about it

Carlos Sanchez is not dead as a prospect. He's very young and is dealing with a challenge assignment now. Let's give him a year or two.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 12:55 PM) Can you give some examples of what he specifically did wrong last September? My impression was that it wasn't Ventura making mistakes as much as it was the team being exhausted. Quintana, Sale, and Peavy were all about the limit of innings they could humanly be expected to throw, and guys like Youkilis and Konerko were being run into the ground because they had no backups (to be fair of course, the backups for a lot of positions were traded away to get guys like Youk, so at least last year there was a good reason why the regulars were worn out). Basically, when your offense is horrible, the manager looks bad. Every offensive decision will look bad and anything that goes wrong with the pitchers will look much, much worse.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 01:39 PM) Remember when Morel showed a lot of pop at the end of his rookie season? That didn't last long. Gillaspie has proven far more at the MLB level than Morel, thankfully

I am totally dumbfounded as to what is wrong with the placement of the power button

The point here is that there should absolutely no sense of urgency to move or bench Conor Gillaspie. As soon as there is a prospect that looks like a future 3B or there is a veteran 3B that can help you contend, that's when Conor becomes a bench player.

Rodon could be different given that he will likely be perceived as near MLB-ready. The sooner a guy is in the show, the less a potential injury can harm you. When a guy spends 4 years in the minors, that injury could easily stunt his development. If a guy is dominating in MLB when he sustains that injury, chances are he still is valuable afterwards. With that said, if there was a Kris Bryant-type in the draft I'd probably jump on him

In a vacuum, I'm so not a fan of spending what is likely our only super-high draft pick on a pitcher

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 01:19 PM) Would rather save $18 million (not an insignificant number to JR or Hahn) and let Garcia play RF (his natural position) and get comfortable at the major league level for the final two months...or at the very least, the entire month of September. We're so far under budget that I would be very surprised if we gave up the chance to acquire talent just to not have to pay him for the rest of this season. The chances that we trade him become far more favorable in the offseason and this is when you start to add a sense of urgency to moving him. Avisail can come up and split at-bats at some point this season if the White Sox think he has nothing left to prove at AAA (where has yet to play even 40 games).

They act like he's never been good before. He wasn't some hack last year either, especially after he got over his injury in the early part of that season - he had posted an >.900 second half OPS

I'm very optimistic about Dayan. He has made real steps forward against right handed pitching, especially but not only recently. We'll soon see his production pick back up against lefties and his overall numbers will look far better. I think he can stay in LF defensively, too. Early in the season he had some horrendous play (must have been on the same defensive practice plan as the other two outfielders) but has since been largely good, short of the one time he couldn't pick up a baseball.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 12:53 PM) Actually we might have to be...depends on what they want to do with Garcia though. If they want him starting...there's no starting spot in the OF right now. Garcia could seriously benefit from more sharpening in the minors. Regardless, Rios is our best player - he really is. You can't just let him go without making his departure coincide with an influx of production in another position. Right now it would be very optimistic to say that Garcia can simply match Rios's production. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-08...n-dayan-viciedo Good lord was that bad. Just some TheoJed sucking QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 12:56 PM) What makes you think we could get anything more than salary relief for him? We're losing all the leverage and negotiating with just one team....not 10-15. The White Sox are better off just dumping him and letting Garcia play his natural position....it's not like they have to keep him (Rios), like the situation with Alexei Ramirez not really having anyone yet who could step in and take that position over until at least mid-season 2014. We don't have to move him this season. If we don't like the waiver market, there's an offseason when the market will be much more receptive to a player with high salary. Some team won't want to give 3-5 years and a higher yearly salary to a free agent corner OF'er and will likely prefer Rios and may give us a talented young player(s) to do so. This not to mention the fact that we can offer a discount on Rios's already fair contract to sweeten the pot. I don't think we'll make a move during this season for that very reason. It'll be fine. Garcia can fine tune his offensive game in AAA, perhaps work on that walk rate, etc. As far as position players go, outfield is our strength. We can deal with having an extra bat there until we get what we want for Rios. No reason to weaken the position of strength without making an area of weakness better.

I think there is plenty of reason to believe that Conor can be a 1.5-2.0 WAR player, as he is on pace to be a 1.1 WAR player in his rookie season. We don't have to assume that every player will either stay the same or get worse. He should be our starting 3B until further notice

You don't have to have a high BB rate or low K rate to have good enough pitch recognition. If a guy is hitting exceptionally well, all signs point to his pitch recognition being very good and his strategy simply being very aggressive

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 01:01 PM) The guy has one .800 OPS season in the minors (and it was in the ever inflated PCL). I don't know what about his past screams that he'd be anything league average at 3rd base. The one thing he did do was consistently post good OBP's down in the minors. I think league average is something we'd really like to have and that was his point.... He can hold it down and not be a problem with the team until you get a guy with some real star potential

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 12:25 PM) Hopefully he passes THROUGH all the waivers and the Sox can get something back in return. If not, we'll just have to be satisfied with dumping his contract, which isn't the worst thing in the world, honestly. No, we don't

Just don't do it in Virginia

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 12:27 AM) Tigers signing Damon was so long because at one point, we all thought the Sox were the team that was going to sign him. The good thing is...Soxtalk clearly still has traffic...recent moves have been the top traffic getters. Just wait till this team gets back to the playoffs and wins another series!!! Maybe I'm not recalling correctly, but I feel like that was an instance of a ST insider sharing some info that didn't materialize. Wasn't there something Damon having a big dick too? Or is that public info?