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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 08:09 PM) If you translate Buehrle, Crede, McCarthy, Thornton and a prospect into an Angels package you basically get Lackey, Figgins, Santana, Shields and a prospect for A-Rod. It just doesn't seem very plausible now does it? Which is exactly what the Yankees would look for if they were going to trade him. A very good starter, someone to somewhat replace production at 3B(which I think Crede would do much better of), a future 2/3 to go along with Phillip Hughes I think his name is, and a bridge to get to Rivera. QUOTE(sircaffey @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 08:14 PM) Has any player brought in that much Major League talent before (4 solid players)? It's going to be extremely hard for the Yanks to get 3 solid major leaguers let alone 4 for Arod. No team is going to shed themselves that badly. At best, I could see a SP, 3B, and RP for Arod. Definitely not 2 SP. This is a buy low situation. I'd like to see the Sox jump all over it. I wouldn't put anything by Big Stein. No, but no team has tried to trade a player of A-Rod's calibur either. I mean, at SS, the guy was a legit GG. And as a SS, he's probably the best ever to play the position. It may be a buy low situation, but the Yankees aren't stupid when it comes to A-Rod production apparently. Trust me, I tried telling them to look at Crede's numbers, especially his defense and they weren't having any of it. They love Crede, but they know what they want. Steinbrenner is just like the fans too, it just depends on if someone like Cashman(who I believe is a good friend of KW's) decides that he'll go against the boss. Again, I want A-Rod badly. Someone should get Cashman and Steinbrenner really drunk.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 08:01 PM) Buehrle, Crede, McCarthy, Thornton, and a prospect? Should the Sox just include the entire Birmingham Barons roster too? I don't buy that at all. As far as I can tell, ARod is completely hated by New York in general, be it fans or the organization. Considering how much he makes(because even with money included, it is a ton), his value isn't high enough that he would net 2 all-stars(Crede's not an all-star, but he was about #33 on the 32 man), a very solid reliever, a very good looking and cheap young starting pitcher, as well as another prospect. I obviously don't have inside sources into the Yankees FO, but if they are asking that much for 1 player who has a bad reputation for not being clutch, they aren't going to get rid of him. They may not want to get rid of him, so if not, they have all the right in the world to ask for that. George and company will get laughed at, but they can do so if they wish. They won't try to get rid of him. Are they going to shop him? Of course, but they're not looking to "dump" him. "Dumping" and "trading" are two very different things. Unless someone wows them, they're not going to trade A-Rod, much less pay any of his contract.

QUOTE(whitesox1976 @ Oct 7, 2006 -> 06:43 PM) Next up for the Tigers is the Oakland A's and Frank Thomas. Congratulations Tigers. Looks to me like Alex Rodriguez will be gone from the Yankees next season. If the rumors are true, and they hire Lou Pinella, A-Rod won't be gone.

A-Rod would be a great acquisition at SS, but the White Sox would have to give up so much, I'm not sure they would want to acquire him. I asked a couple of Yankee fans if a Crede, Garcia, Fields and a mid-level prospect would get it done, and they basically said it wouldn't take more, just better. Keep in mind, these are guys who don't care for A-Rod. Most brought up names: Buehrle, Crede, McCarthy, Thornton/Sweeney/Fields, and another mid level prospect. I want A-Rod here as bad as anyone, but I think it's beyond a pipedream to think about him coming here.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 3, 2006 -> 11:00 PM) Do you think Brian Sabean would have made that deal, if he had realized how good those 3 players have become now? That's the reason why you need great scouts which the Sox don't depend on from what it seems.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Sep 29, 2006 -> 01:15 PM) Don't worry. Continually trading prospects to reinforce a "win-now" philosophy will pay off with annual playoff births. Oh wait.... Well, atleast you can count on our stellar Latin American scouts finding a potential MLB utility player. Oh yeah, they can't even do that... If we had decent ones, we would be talking about a Liriano type at least. We have no one like that in the system.

Anyone know anything about him? Is it a loss or someone we really don't know much about. He's supposed to be the next pitching coach for that team.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 06:50 PM) Part of 2006's problem was that KW didn't spend any money on the bullpen, and counted on guys 10 years olds could tell you not to count on. It was obvious Politte would step back. Hermanson mentioned retirement, didn't throw at all, and was suddenly being counted on. Vizcaino was gone. Marte was gone. A lot of cheap minor league free agents were signed hoping 1 would work out. Most did the Charlotte Knights proud. Which is why I rather have Marte than Mack. Marte at least was still a decent mopup reliever who still had potential. Vizcaino was given too much crap for just 1 bad month. I also think he shouldn't have been included in that Vazquez deal. I have no problem with Young and Duque going, but relievers are hard to find, and KW took that for granted, as well as some of the people around here. Anyone know when is the first day we could actually make moves?

QUOTE(AirScott @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 06:24 PM) word. why get someone like Figgins or Pierre to lead off when we already have Pods? give him a few months to rest, I bet he comes back strong in 2007. Thing is we did, last year. He hasn't been the same since his groin injury last year prior to the ASG.

I like Baldelli as much as you Balta, but from what I've seen, he would be much better suited as a #2 hitter. I also don't like the fact he's injury proned. Not only 05, but he missed time in 04 or 03 IIRC.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 12:49 PM) Why are you so confident he couldn't turn it around? Just wondering. I'd never be against acquiring a good young arm like Ervin. I think there's a reason that Anaheim wouldn't give him up for Carl Crawford. I thought Anaheim offered him up for Crawford, but TB wanted more.

QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 01:09 PM) When's Hendry gone? Never. McDonough talked about it and basically said he and Hendry are going to hammer out a plan for next year.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 12:39 PM) I'm sure he'd be fine pitching on the Southside. I'd surely take him. Debateable. Who's spot would he take though? You'd have to trade two of the starters away if you want Ervin and the Messiah to both be apart of the rotation.

I'm watching it on CSN. They canned him and they're talking about his career as a manager with the Cubs.

Say it ain't so. I want Crede back dammit! It would suck that we spent so much time developing him, and then when he finally breaks out, we decide to let him go. Only way I accept such is if we get A-Rod to play SS and a stud 3B. I don't consider Uribe a stud 3B.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 10:52 AM) KW is definitely not going to show his hand. I found this one be interesting: Boone Logan perhaps? Well he did let Jeff Bajanaru go in ST.

QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 09:03 PM) IMO, this directly coincides with Thome's power decline. When Thome was the dominant LH power presence in the line up, AJ wasn't trying to pull everything. Do you think Walker told him to pull everything? Ultimately players are responsible for their own performance. Anyway, generally, the only problem I had with our offense was a lack of speed. I don't have a problem with the hitter's approach. Actually I don't think it coincides with anything that has to do with Thome. AJ did this last year as well.

QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 08:53 PM) His pull baseball approach in the 2nd half killed our offense. He was around .260 for most of the 2nd half with very few walks. And he told Uribe to stop using the leg kick because he thought it really didn't matter.

QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 08:32 PM) Well said. A hitting coach can only maximize a hitter's strengths. We have a bunch of pull hitters. I don't want a hitting coach that's trying to change everyone's approach to fit their idea of what a good hitter should be. BS, AJ's greatest strength was hitting for a high average and spraying the ball all over the place. Now all he does is pull and lift like he's trying to golf the ball.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 06:15 AM) Walker isn't the problem. He doesn't try to change hitters like Hriniak does. It's the hitters. If they have weaknesses to their game--a lot of K's, inability to hit to the opposite field, poor bunters--etc a hitting coach isn't going to change a pro who has been playing that way for yrs. The twins draft those type of players/ hitters to begin with and they come up through the system. The Twins don't change the way their young players hit once they get the bigs. The sox should draft or trade for the type of hitters they need that compliment their big hitters. You don't think Walker is the problem? All he has the players doing is pulling and lifting which is why we have hard times hitting the ball the opposite way. Greg Walker is a huge problem. He changes hitters which is why this team since he's been here has a hardass time hitting pitches low and away. If I'm making a move to the offense, the first thing I do is fire Greg, Homerun Happy, Walker. Hriniak has a great philosophy. Don't worry about homeruns, just key in on the ball, and hit it where it's pitched. Sure, we may not hit 200 HR's, but we'd be alot more consistant and we'd go way more in line with what Ozzie wants.

I select none of the above. I'll stick with Sweeney and Gload.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 11:16 PM) Actually it was Buehrle for Crisp Which is a huge difference in asking price.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 08:17 PM) Yes, Studes is a respected enough man in the saber community (and, if you've been lucky enough to meet him, a real nice guy too) to deserve acknowledgement, seeing as he also went off of John Dewan's Fielding Bible along with ZR (among other things). And, I'm not sure if I'm reading the chart correctly, but even there, Uribe's DER ranks higher and he has close to 90 more actual outs (albeit in more chances). Like you said, also has 655 more chances. Think if AGonz played for CWS in 05 and Uribe played for FLA, the numbers would be the same? I don't.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 07:50 PM) Read here: http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition...ny-sports-print You mean, in your opinioin AGonz>Uribe. Because Uribe ranks better than Gonz in zone rating, and was rated the best defensive shortstop in the AL by David Studes at The Hardball Times. So, in your unproven, non-fact based opinion, AGonz is better than Uribe defensively. David Studes. You say something about me stating my opinion and use ZR and an article in which some guy gives his opinion to prove your point? Give me these stats for this year: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:8NuEKh...lient=firefox-a

QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 12:31 PM) Self did not recruit anything like he has at KU at Illinois. Our top 6 guys on the final 4 team were Brown, Williams, Head, Powell, Augustine, and Ingram. Ingram was a walkon. Powell actually committed to Kruger. Head was not a top 100 recruit. Augustine was ranked around 75. Deron around 50. Dee was around 20. Not exactly can't miss stud talent there. Ingram was actually recruited by Self, but Self then went to Illinois, and Ingram followed him.