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Guys you got it all wrong. This is typical Kenny flying under the radar. We're not getting Zito or Soriano. We're not getting another reliever either. There is only one man that I see us getting. The Man, The Myth, The Legend... ^^Coming soon to a Sox game near you.

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QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 09:59 PM) At least MacDougal looked good. He may wind up to be a huge pickup. For next year.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 05:57 PM) 12 of the 16 National League ballclubs are within 6 games of the division or wildcard, and not ONE team aside from New York has inquired about him? I knew over last offseason, when everyone was suggesting, "wait until midseason to trade a starter because teams will overpay," that nothing would happen. We never seem to be in a good position concerning value of our players. Typically, we're the team overpaying for talent. Where's the pseudo Williams out there willing to overpay for Garcia? I remember talking about how we should trade someone in the middle of the year. Well, where's our benefits?

Tim is very accurate. He never posts bs intentionally. If a deal didn't go through, it's because it fell apart, not because it was fabricated. He's one of the best in the biz and I think he gets overshadowed by Gammons alot.

Hey ChiSoxfn, when this gets super long, could you just merge it with the locked thread and we'll start another. I have a feeling people will have at least 120 more pages of discussions on Soriano. Soriano = Griffey & Chavez combined in terms of discussion on this board.

QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:02 PM) I value McCarthy second behind Anderson. It's a close second tho. Not to be an ass or anything. Alf = Soriano Oops, I was rewording and didn't delete the whole thing I meant to. My bad. QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:05 PM) Who would you rather have (these are ESPN projections based upon what they have done this year)? ______G______AB_______R_______H______2B______3B______HR_____RBI______SB______BA_____OBP_____SLG _____154_____590_____113_____161______38______10_______5______63______50___0.272___0.349___0.397 _____161_____656_____120_____189______41_______3______51_____102______41___0.288___0.361___0.594 The first one because he's sooooooo dreamy and and and he has speed.

We should be at most #10.

QUOTE(S720 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 03:55 PM) If there is ACTUALLY the 3rd option - BA AND Soriano - I would jump for JOY!!! As would I. I'm going to ask a question. What's the difference if Pods gets on 40 more times in the year than and Soriano hitting about 37 more HR's than Pods? Getting on doesn't guarentee a run, especially when you're not running like Pods used to. Hitting a HR guarentee's you a run.

QUOTE(alexgtp @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 01:50 PM) God I hope its dead. LAst thing we need is to back to the White Sox of old. Slugging didnt work than and it isnt going to work now. Pitching and defense... Pitching and defense... Our offense is potent enough.. Imagine with a solid pitching staff..!! You're right. Soriano is a better defender than Podsednik. GET'EM KENNY!

It shows we're not Cub fans. If they won a WS they wouldn't care if they lost 162 games the following year whereas we care every year. We want it just as bad as we did last year. KW wants that too and so does JR. I don't know how many members on the team care for it though.

QUOTE(103 mph screwball @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 12:53 PM) Pods in center has not been a popular idea here but he has played center before. Anderson would make a hell of a defensive replacement the rest of this year. Mack, Gload, Ozuna???? Sox need a real 4th outfielder. Any Brewers fans out there that can comment on Pods in center? If the Sox get Soriano, I feel they will keep him. I can't see how they could pull off a deal to improve the pitching. Getting a stud like Soriano or Abreu could spark the team or ruin chemistry. In Kenny I trust. He has earned it. Brewer fans will tell you he's terrible out there as well.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 12:42 PM) The local ESPN update says, according to Bruce Levine, that a trade for Soriano could still happen if the Nationals accept a package that includes Lance Broadway. Levine chiming in = kiss of death. Deal is officially dead.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 12:30 PM) I see the Tigers giving up more than they wanted to for Soriano. I think its pretty obvious KW wasnt serious about aquiring him. I don't. Kenny hasn't offered much of a package at all if Broadway, Fields, (probably) Sweeney, McCarthy and anyone else on the 25 man roster is not available.

QUOTE(Hanger @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 12:15 PM) Agreed with you there on a bad defensive outfield....the more and more this is going on, the more unlikely it seems the Sox will acquire Soriano, when you break the lineup down like has been done on this thread, it doesnt really make for a good fit. Especially if trying to hang onto BMac, and Anderson. He does fit. Remove Podsednik and stick Soriano out there. He fits nicely, thing is, when deals are talked about for a long time, they usually don't happen. And from the sound of it, KW has entered the Jim Hendry mode and only will do this deal if he could rip of Washingotn.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:13 AM) Try to convince me that Javy Vazquez is a better starter than Brandon TODAY. Its just not true. Forget potential, this guy is already one of our 5 best starters and we need to stretch him out and f'n use him Convince me Brandon McCarthy is better than Javier Vazquez today. You really can't come up with an argument. BMac isn't stretched out, he had a couple good games down the stretch last year, but hasn't proven a thing. His bullpen numbers don't suggest he's anything great either. I don't know where people get the notion that McCarthy would just step in and be way better than Vazquez. I don't know why we just don't use Vazquez until the 6th, put BMac in there for a couple of innings, then throw in MacDougal/Thornton in the 8th and Jenks in the 9th.

Looks like this is just a pure case of Kenny trying to block Soriano to the Tigers or at least driving up the price. It seems he has no intention of trading for Soriano at all unless he completely rips them off. That isn't going to happen under Bowden's watch. If you're not even going to trade some top prospects for a guy like Soriano, it's just posturing. Thing is, if the White Sox are offering such a horrible package(has to be bad since there is no Broadway, Fields, McCarthy) then they really aren't driving up the price because I'm sure Detroit could offer a similar package and probably will offer a bit better one. Then you have Bowden pissed off for offering such crap and if he knows you had no intention of trading for Soriano and just was wasting his time, he might just go straight to Detroit and say "gimme your best offer."

QUOTE(Sonik22 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 12:23 AM) http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...p&team=home 7-1 victory for the sox, remember it like it was yesterday....... Wasn't Garland pitching against him or is that a different game?

QUOTE(chimpy2121 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:42 PM) Sorry if this was posted, I was at the game and I don't feel like reading all of the fighting goin on: So I'm guessing KW wants to do Pods/Broadway and lower level prospect for Soriano and the Nats at least want Fields and Broadway. If it comes down to it, I give them Fields and Broadway(I explained why earlier).

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:32 PM) Yes more Nick Lemon's please. Or we could try to develop a Carlos Zambrano or a Liriano or a Peavy or a Beckett.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:25 PM) so he signed with Florida knowing he would be dealt after the first year? Im not really following the logic. I don't think they told him that part really. I think if Florida made the World Series which they were expected to do, they would've kept that team together.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:16 PM) Are you ignoring the reason Delgado rejected the trade? It kind of ruins your ridiculous argument. I remember that. Alot of Sox fans though, for whatever reason, hate Delgado because they thought he didnt want to come here because he hated the city of Chicago and didn't like the Sox. That's not the case. He just wanted to find a place he know he could stay for awhile.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:09 PM) Why would we want Soriano at leadoff? Isn't a leadoff hitter supposed to only steal bases and bunt? I don't want a guy who can knock in runs and create offense when we're facing a tough lefty or a catcher who can throw. Has only 6 less SB than Pods. Best numbers have been in leadoff spot. Hmm...we may be on to here Sparky!

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:10 PM) I still remember Hawk talking a couple of years ago, raving about all the guys in the system that threw 95. Where are they? I not up for arguing with you, you're being absurd. But remember the Sox weren't selling out and wouldn't have been able to afford Delgado at that time. Thinks of best pitchers on team: Jenks, Thornton, Cotts, MacDougal, Contreras, Garland Proceeds to think why Freddy has sucked this season. Oh yeah, lack of velocity. Proceeds to see Buehrle continue to not hit exact locations and getting knocked around because of lack of velocity to make up for shortcomings.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:10 PM) I still remember Hawk talking a couple of years ago, raving about all the guys in the system that threw 95. Where are they? I not up for arguing with you, you're being absurd. Sleeping, it's 11:00. People have work ya know. GZUS!