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QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:49 PM) He started out as a SS but was moved to 2nd base after he had a wrist injury... http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/news/021116hampton.html He has also played most of his games in the majors at 2nd base, not SS. But his natural position is SS. Get it through your stubborn head. He's a natural SS. Just because he was moved doesn't mean he isn't a natural SS. Your whole argument was that he isn't a natural SS and with this post, you proved that wrong.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:41 PM) Wrong again. Ozuna is a 2nd baseman by trade. Uribe is a SS by trade. Uribe is best suited for 2B is what I was trying to imply. PK was a catcher, should the Sox consider trading AJ and putting PK at catcher? Didn't think so. Uribe is best suited at the 2B position. If you can't see that, then I suggest you get your eyes check. Ozuna is more of a SS because he has the agility and quickness. Uribe doesn't have that agility of a SS, hence the Sox wanting to leave Uribe at 2B for the most part. Sorry if the trade doesn't note that. I guess Frank Thomas still plays 1B and Scott Hatteberg is still a catcher. And Jose is still a SS.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) I will go a step further, Crede and Uribe are here primarily because they play very good defense. Makes sense when you build the team around pitching. Since Konerko and Everett are proven hitters, the offensive expectations are greater for them than Crede and Uribe, and they should be. Crede hits down low in the order and for the most part Uribe does too. They don't expect the same level of offense from Crede/Uribe as Konerko and Everett. They are going to give this more time, and make a move accordingly. But I don't think it'll happen for several weeks. And when it does, I see 2nd tier prospects being traded. Sorry, that post makes too much sense to count in this thread. Automatically disqualified by Jabroni and southsideirish.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:29 PM) PK and Everett have shown throughout their careers that they can hit. Uribe is here because he's the only true SS on our roster. Crede has never shown that he can be a good hitter in the majors. And PK has shown that he has slumped before badly too and that he can't carry an offense like many people want to believe(which is what we have him trying to do now). Ozuna is the only true SS on this team. Uribe is more of a second baseman, hence KW not really going after a 2B unless it was Iguchi.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:40 PM) Ok so let me get this straight, first you question me calling him a liar, then you move on to explain that its ok that he lied because its his MO. Then you question how I could have believed he spoke the truth. Oook then. I said hypothetically speaking if he was leaving for another coaching job which he isn't. Everyone and their parents know that. And all he said was that Detroit would be his last coaching stop. He never said how long he was going to be there at all. Not once did he say that in his press conference he was going to stay there for 5 years. So he did not lie to any Pistons fan. Don't know what part of that isn't understandable.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:42 PM) lol, I watch 80% of the ACC basketball games during the year and probably 90% of WF's games that are on TV, I think I know what kind of character he is, trust me. Here are some quotes about him. "He punched me in the groin and the ref saw it," Hodge said, adding that Paul told him after the blow, "I got you now." "The ultra-competitive 6-footer has been in numerous on-court tussles this season -some due to his persistent defensive pressure, others stemming from opponents' efforts to irritate him with physical play." Chris has always taken cheap shots in games and whined to the refs more than any other player in the ACC. Teams do go over the line talking about his grandfathers death, but he has to learn to control his temper better because guys like Gary Payton will eat him up with it. That's different though. The ACC and it's fan are more rabid than NBA fans. Seriously, JJ Reddick getting death threats. Chris Paul having fans chanting "I Killed Your Grandfather" That's f'd up. I think I would be a just a little irritated at that.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) Usually KW jumps the gun so he doesnt have to get into a bidding war with other contenders. Resting your laurels on the fact that we are a first place team, like the twins are so far back that a few losses cant negate that is a myopic view at best. Our pitching has been great. What hasnt been even good, our offense. So where do we upgrade. Crede is the obvious choice. And PK and Everett and Uribe...

Hermy. Everett for Iguchi was a smart move. Everett usually gets the ball deep enough to score in a run. I wasn't concerned with that move at all.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) Have those guys ever had a track record of hitting at the major league level. Then close your Crede apologist eyes and ask yourself has Joe Crede outside of a few weeks in April ever hiit at the major league level. Apologist? Wow. I support a player just like I support the rest of the White Sox and if I defend one player you don't like I'm an apologist? I'm glad to see I'm having a grown up discussion here Dye has been breaking down. PK has been s***ty. Put Gload in that spot and he probably has as much RBI's because of Iguchi and Pods(hell, put AJ there and he's within 5). Fact is most of the offense is failing. I'm just seeing Crede being hated on though. I have no problem if Crede is doing crappy and is the only one, but the fact is, he isn't the only one. It's the whole offense minus 3 people and Willie.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:03 PM) I could care less if they trade Crede for Randa or just prospects. As long as we trade for Randa or a 3rd baseman that can hit better than .225 and let Cruddy ride the pine. Then they can decide on what to do with Cruddy after the season is over. Let's also trade PK, Everett, Uribe, and Dye. Because their offense isn't doing good either.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:01 PM) Inferior Glove? I know you are the guy with the Crede's Crew sig and I dont expect anythng but love for Crede but come on. Slight Upgrade? LOL Yes. Randa is solid. He isn't making any spectacular plays at all though on the defensive end. Can he get a ground ball? Yes. Is he going to make a diving catch to his left? No. Crede has that. He's more athletic and could get to more balls than Randa. If you watched both play, you would be able to see that.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:00 PM) That's all well and good, but Randa has been getting less durable the past 2-3 years. Big issue in my book. Safe prediction, the Sox will not trade Crede to Cincy for Randa straight up. Doesn't matter if 3/4 of SoxTalk wants it that way or not. Best post. Crede won't get traded for Randa straight up. What motivation would Cincy have? I just don't see it. If Crede is traded, it's in a package for a bigger player.

Randa is hobbling at this point. KW will make a move that significantly improves the position. He's not going to go for a guy who's a slight upgrade and has injury concerns already. Randa won't help us win anymore games with his injury concerns and his inferior glove. Too early to pull a trigger. You'll see a trade in late June.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:02 PM) Holy smokes. Let me preface all of this by saying I have a great respect for Randa. First of all, Randa was a FA after last year and I didn't see all kinds of teams lining up to get him. He ended up in Cincy, hardly a prime FA destination. One of the reasons why is Randa has a chronic bad back and is 35. He is currently suffering from a badly bruised foot, and it's possible that will dog him through the year. Second, it's May. The team is doing well but I agree can be improved. You guys want to make a trade every week, Sox management - although stubborn at times - prefers to show faith in their players. Showing faith in players generally equals good chemistry which generally plays a part in helping teams win. Third, Crede is not hurting the team defensively. Fourth, and I know people are tired of hearing about this in our short attention span world of "I want it, and I want it right now" ... Crede is 27, Randa 35. There is still a chance Crede will improve, even though no one wants to hear it or even consider it as a possibility. I'm as frustrated with his offense as all you are but I see the value in patience and not making a major trade. You guys have had the following players traded or released so far this year: Dye, Konerko, Crede, Harris, Everett, Contreras, Perez, Cotts, Vizcaino, and others. Every week (every day?) it's somebody else who "sucks" or needs his ass shipped out. That's knee jerk reacting, especially on the last day of May with the team in 1st place. Fifth, whether we like it or not, KW and Guillen love to show faith in their players. They made these decisions in March and two months later they are not inclined to 180 degree turn on those decisions. To me, that's smart ... especially since the team is doing pretty well. If Sox management followed all your guys advice, these players would play with zero confidence ... they'd all be playing afraid to get traded. I know some of you will suggest that's BS, but I'll stand by that. Lastly, the trade market will heat up this month and next. KW and Guillen will see where they're at and what they need ... AFTER giving these guys who are mostly veterans a chance to work through things. Every week Guillen makes a statement about showing faith in players. KW and Reinsdorf give Guillen an extension so it stands to reason they agree with showing faith in their players too. Of course there can be improvements, but I see KW adding to the team vs. changing out a key position like 3B. And by the way, I do not think adding some salary is a problem for the White Sox, i.e. I don't think they'd be afraid to add Randa's contract which I believe is a 2 yr. deal. But I don't think they feel it's the right move to trade Crede for Randa. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so. Now ... if something happens to Crede I'm in your camp. Get on the phone and get Randa. I agree strongly with this. I remember how people were calling for Contreras to be traded after one outing. Harris has been good for us and so have the others. Everyone has contributed at least a couple times this season and some of the fans are so quick to jump on someone and ask management to trade or wiave their ass. It seems as if this game isn't perfect for one day someone has to be traded. Newsflash, not even the Yankees are perfect. KW will wait to see what impact Frank has on the team. I say by late June, you'll start getting ideas of who actually has a chance of being traded. Trade Contreras posts were funny though. Any possible way that a rant thread could be stickied so all ludicrous trades and b****ing about players could be put in there?

You're a bad person.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ May 31, 2005 -> 08:59 AM) LMAO What an exquisite character, running around getting mad and punching people in the nuts. That wasn't the first episode with Paul on the court, and it definitely won't be the last, he has some major issues. If he has an exquisite character then Ruben Patterson is a charming individual. I haven't heard of his other run ins. I'm pretty sure that was his only run in in his basketball career. There isn't character issues there. Trust me.

QUOTE(Heartattack19 @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:48 PM) Is it true that UIC is tearing down the baseball foeld on Roosevelt to make way for a Chemistry Building. If so, that is a shame, it is a great field and has a great veiw of the Skyline. Plus, it is the site of my only home run i ever hit over a fence! I haven't heard anything about that. I know we wont' be using the old Phys Ed Building(I think they're tearing that down) and their building a new Phys Ed building on Halsted & Harrison.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:12 PM) It definitely wouldn't be the first time Chad Ford got something wrong... I'll wait to see what happens before I bash him anymore. If he stays in Detroit then I apologize for calling him a liar. We will see. How is he a liar? The man has hip problems. He isn't going into another coaching job. Also, if he was coaching at another place(not that he is) Detroit as a franchise should've known he was leaving sooner rather than later. That's his MO. He'll fix up a team and leave. If you thought he was going to stay longer, you've fooled yourself.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 31, 2005 -> 11:33 AM) I'd rather have Crede. I appreciate his fielding, and his chemistry in the field with Juan. I think his hitting comes at good times, and he fits nicely into our lineup. Unless it is Eric Chavez, count me out. If you ain't getting Chavez, don't bother.

Went to yesterday's thriller in which I almost felt induced into attacking Ozzie in the dugout myself. Going tonight. Diamond Suite tickets baby!

If you're going past 35th(going south) then you shouldn't take the Red Line unless you live in a neighborhood close to the stop. If you're going to Beverly, it's better to take the Red Line to downtown and get on the Rock Island.

QUOTE(Antonio Osuna @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:28 AM) I think most people don't realize that it's a two-sided coin. Yes, the hitting is due to heat up, but the pitching is even more due to cool down. Very true. And welcome to soxtalk

YES!!!!!!! My UIC Flames got in. I can't believe there isn't more UIC fans here. I mean Oney Guillen is on the team there.

Okay guys, first off he isn't coaching anymore after this season. He has a goddamn hip problem that he can't deal with anymore. He's taking a front office job with a team. Secondly, the reason he has to accept it now is because the draft is a week at most from the NBA Finals. They need to get everything in place now so they know what direction they(CLE) are going in and what Brown wants to do in terms of bringing in personel. They have to do it now. Plus there was a guy in the Pacers organization who had to know by tonight because he was told that by Pacers officials(he was also up for the job). So don't be so damn quick to jump on the guy.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:12 AM) Shoulda, woulda, coulda. That ball was no where near the zone. With a full count and the bases loaded, he has to throw a pitch that's at least near the strike zone. Hence, you try to get him to chase. It was a good pitch, but better patience by the hitter. Again, you throw it in the strike zone or anywhere near it and the guy will get a hit and you put yourself in more deep s***.