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QUOTE(thelatinoheat_30 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) First off, Brantley had a point. Even from last year, I knew Ozzie was one of the worst strategic managers in all of baseball. I hoped it'd get better w/ more experience but obviously not. Ozzie is lucky he didn't get ripped MORE for leaving buerhle in the 8th, no less the 9th. I don't care how little pitches he threw. Marte and Hermanson have been severely underused, leading to their recent subpar performances. Brantley is right on and should be commended. Also, today on ESPNews he(Brantley) said if he could pick any staff to have, he'd pick the twins, pen and starters. Also right there. He also managed to sneak in a comment, saying he might take the sox staff, but he jsut doesn't think the staff is being managed properly. I'll take it a step further. Ozzie cannot manage the TEAM properly, as shown by starting timo at first for the first time in 6 years just to give paul a day off, A DAY BEFORE AN OFF-DAY, that's just plain stupid. he coulda at least used the excuse of trying to keep timo sharp, but he wanted paul to relax. cost us 2 runs w/ that error. there should be more analyts criticizing ozzie's lack of smarts. before ozzie makes decisions based on his "gut feeling", he should use the bathroom to make sure he doesn't confuse these "gut feelings" w/ something else. p.s. i do agree w/ ozzie's using of walker cause he has to use em eventually and he was decent b4 it, so i do have some support for him. I agree. I'll say this. Ozzie is one hell of a motivator and player person. I think he would make a better bench coach though. He's been making bad decisions for some time. 3 pitchers in one inning(Marte, Politte, Cotts) in the 3rd game of the year with a 3 run lead.

I honestly think Ozzie did wrong with the Brantley situation. Brantley said nothing different than what most White Sox fans were thinking. If the Sox start losing alot, Ozzie's going to lose the protection he has from the media. I hate to agree with Jay Mariotti, but his mouth is going to get him in trouble. I mean even Doug Padilla confirmed that he says a lot of things he shouldn't be saying and he's lucky most guys don't print them. The Maggs' thing he gets a pass on IMO because it was a player who flat out attacked him first. Brantley was just doing his job by second guessing him as many Sox fans were.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:06 PM) What skiles wants is a bargain considering what some othe coaches around the look has gotten. The bulls will resign him sooner or later. Actually Skiles would be getting paid as an upper echelon coach with the offer the Bulls are giving. I think only 4 guys would be making more than him. Hell, Phil Jackson when he got his deal with the Lakers signed a 4 year 20 million dollar deal. Skiles wants that. Skiles

QUOTE(farmteam @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:46 PM) The Indoor soccer team is the Chicago Storm, not Chicago Thunder, just FYI. Also, WNBA has always been meh to me, but women's soccer and/or volley can pique my interest occasionally. I knew it had to be something similar. I could also understand if you(not talking to you directly farm) don't like the WNBA, but to say Woman's sports don't matter or is boring is just dumb. I consider women's volleyball to be better than men's. I also consider women's tennis to be much better. WNBA has some of my interest and I like baseball/softball, so naturally I would go see the Bandits(again, they're pretty far though, so I might be going to 1 game if I'm lucky).

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 02:57 PM) If the Astros start off with that talk, the conversation will end quick. No way would I give up Tex or Hank for Roger Clemens. Those are two cornerstone players and are worth more than Clemens for a year. They have Texieria who's natural position is 3rd if Blalock is traded and supposedly a really great prospect at 1B.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 06:17 PM) Ramon Hernandez is the Padres' catcher (he used to be on the A's, they either traded for him or picked him up via free agency). The D-Backs also have Kelly Stinnett as their veteran catcher, I think. And I doubt they even have money to spend after what they did in the offseason. I don't think Kendall is going anywhere. Traded him for Mark Kotsay even though he was an All-Star with the A's.

Question is for this year(which KW is going for) is Crede & B-Mac better than Chavez. It's questionable. Who comes up to pitch for El Duque on his next breaks??

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 11:41 PM) They got Paul LoDuca and Mota at the end of it right? and a decent player in Juan Encarnacion.

QUOTE(sayitanitso @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:59 PM) The pro volleyball team was the Chicago Thunder and they aren't playing anymore to my knowledge So the soccer team took their name huh? Anyway, I would go to a WNBA game because 1)I'm supportive of Chicago sports 2)They're playing their home games at my school 3)It's something to do when I have downtime 4)Cheap tickets Just because it's a woman's sport doesn't mean it isn't good.

QUOTE(nvxplorer @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 12:26 AM) Yes, Ozzie may seem to overuse the strategy at times, but he's certainly not the only manager to do so. I just think it's unfair to blame every pitfall on Ozzie's use of matchups. I'm sure he does it more than some, and I know he does it less than others (watch Felipe Alou manage a close game if you get a chance). Thanks for clearing it up, though. I've seen this assertion made by many, and it's to the point of becoming cliche, not to mention innaccurate. Difference is that Ozzie at least has some people who could get the job done(Hermy, Marte, Politte) and SF and the Cubs have no one and are looking for bullpen guys.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 12:11 AM) Problem is, these reporters are asking Ozzie the questions we want to hear. We want to know why he took out McCarthy. We want to know why he played Timo at 1b, pitched Walker, etc. I probably would have never started this thread if not for the way the Cubs and Dusty have acted the previous few seasons. Ozzie should be a media darling with his enthusiasm and our record. Since he's the one that tells our players to go out and get drunk....maybe he should just relax a little and not take comments so seriously. I agree. He's very hard-headed. It's not like they're saying, "Ozzie what a stupid f***ing decision!" they are simply asking what he was thinking in that instance that made him put player X instead of player Y. I've usually defended Ozzie, but he does act like a total jackass to the media when he doesn't have to. I hate to see what happens if we start losing. He will no longer get the protection from the media he does. Plain and simple, Ozzie acts like a total jag when he doesn't have to. This was totally inexcusable on his part. Was Brantley doing anything other than his job? I remember him praising Ozzie and his style a couple of times too. Brantley was simply analyzing which is what ESPN hired him to do. I didn't agree with Ozzie's moves and wanted to hear why he made some of the decisions he made on Monday. Just because analyzers are doing their job and asking you questions, doesn't mean you have to act like an asshole. Fact is, Ozzie rather have a total jag moment instead of admitting he was wrong or being a bigger man in this case and accepting the apology.

I would like Mike Gonzalez, but I don't think he'll be available. Billy Wagner will forever get my vote.

I think there is already a badminton team. Anyway, Chicago is a huge market. It's only natural to start up a franchise in a big city like Chicago. I would go to Bandits games if they were played closer. Hopefully they draw good. It's smart. I'll probably check out the WNBA team a couple of times. Don't forget the Chicago Thunder, the Rush 2 or 3 years ago and the pro volleyball team that was playing at St. Xavier(don't know if they're still playing).

QUOTE(TheBlackSox8 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 08:39 PM) LMAO.....Hawkins gave up a grand slam to utley to lose the game for the giants....he continues to choke Prior to that he was pretty good.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 09:35 PM) Note to Walker: Win or try dying. In that case, he's going back to Charlotte in a hearse.

Maybe the White Sox will bring up Bobby Jenks for Walker now. I thought they should've done that in the first place if they were going to bring up Walker. I don't like that guy one bit. If only his name was Tyler and not Kevin.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) Are you f***ing serious? He pulled a Mike Jackson tonight. I don't know about that. Mike Jackson at least looked good for a part of the season last year. I haven't seen it from Viz. Damn, and to think he would've been MIL's closer.

Gotta give up something to get something.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 09:14 PM) what section were you in? 107

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 09:10 PM) No one gives a hit about the attendance. We care about W's. And this is a problem. No excuses can be made and we're still in first place having our best season in years and not even 20,000 at a game on a beautiful night? Poor, poor, poor.

BTW, attendace was piss poor for a Wednesday Night Game in June. And save the school thing, because I just barely started school today again and it doesn't take out much time from your schedule. I know today was the last day for many private high schools and most people are in summer break in college(I'm personally taking summer classes). Even Jesse White spoke on this on Chicago Tribune Live how it's amazing that White Sox don't show up to games even though they are much farther ahead than the Cubs. Where's the support at home???

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 08:58 PM) WHo should have gone? I hated Walker going too but. Marte, Cotts, Politte have all been worked. Hermanson can't go in the 7th. Viz sucks. Marte hasn't thrown many pitches at all the past 3 games. I also thought the reason we brought in Hermy was to be a setup/long relief guy. He should be able to pitch more than 1 inning. That's just my opinion. I see where you're coming from though.

Went to the game. Sick to my stomach. Again again and again, Ozzie doesn't know jack about the bullpen or pitching. He's turning into Dusty Baker when it comes to that. And to bring in Luis Vizcaino or Kevin Walker is ludicrous and should never be done in a tight game. Maybe he should just be a bench coach because he's a great motivator and keeps the team loose. In fact I think he did a better job last year of managing. 7 runs should win you the game.

Anyone know everything he said on the White Sox?

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 03:50 PM) Protection is vastly overated in my opinion. Yet it's the difference between PK being a great offensive player and a mediocre 1 dimensional offensive player. Main ingredient of PK's success has been protection.