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QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:21 AM) Can someone post how many fans we've drawn so far this season, compared to this time last year? Last year we didn't have an as good record. Go back and take the attendance of the last time we started this hot. QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:21 AM) Players create a vibe on their own, and there have been plenty of crummy crowds, and the Sox have been winning. Bigger crowds come with better teams anyways, so there should be no worry under current circumstances with your logic. An empty stadium is quite a bit of a stretch from what I was trying to imply By your logic though, an empty stadium wouldn't matter because fans don't translate into wins or losses.

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:18 AM) The players are getting paid millions of dollars to do their job, and I optionally spend money to support the team and salaries. I don't have a job to do, it's every fan's personal option whether he goes to a game or not Pride and chants don't translate into wins I'd say as a fan of any team, it's your job to support them. Even if you were a Cubs fan I would tell you the exact same thing. It's your job as a fan to go out and support your ballclub. That's what being a fan is. Pride and chants give you that extra boost which translates into wins. That's where the phrase, "homefield advantage" comes into play. The White Sox have none of that.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:16 AM) It's the friggin first week of June. Wait for the crowd over the weekend at least FFS. And we heard it's barely April two months ago. That excuse is out the window. Most kids are out of school. I'm taking summer classes and still have found ways. Fans aren't showing up. QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:18 AM) But the implication is that attendance CAN be changed, which it should, as opposed to Crede or Timo who are lost causes. We can't change how the players play, but critiquing is fair game. The original post essentially calls out White Sox fans. Most of us are doing our part. I ask again. Does anybody have a solution? At least b****ing about Crede and Timo usually brings about solutions such as trade scenarios, changing their swing, demoting, any way to get rid of them, etc... I'd like to see some examples of ways to fix the attendance problem instead of what sometimes just comes off as complaining. How does it help? Does any of our ideas of changing Crede's swing or trade suggestions get to the front office or coach's office?

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:15 AM) Yes, that what I was saying, it's a nice atmosphere for the fans, but I don't think it affects a team's performance (the most important thing). It obviously hasn't until this point You're right.Let's have them play in an empty stadium. I don't think Sox players would care since it doesn't help them at all. I mean that extra energy and vibe you get off a packed house means nothing. I don't think Sox fans will miss it that much anyway.

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:10 AM) Posting hear about those things is a way of venting, I see attacks on attendance as an attack on the fans and fellow posters, which is extremly lame when you don't go to the games yourself So it is okay to attack the players or call them out, but not fans when they aren't their job of showing up to the game and supporting them live? You can chant Paulie all you want at a TV screen, but they won't hear you. You chant Paulie at a couple of games and it makes a difference. Else games would just be played in empty stadiums with just cameras around and the players playing the game. Attendace would help this team's payroll(notice as attendance has increased ever so slightly, the Sox have spent more money? Also, it gives the Sox more pride in what they're doing. How do you think they feel when they got more fans at the Angels/Sox series in Anaheim last week(LAA averaged 40,000 fans for the series) and then come home and see one game with good attendance. You would've thought the Sox were battling to stay out of last place.

QUOTE(nvxplorer @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:06 AM) Let me pose this question to perhaps shed some light on the subject. If it wasn't for the "atmosphere," and if going to Wrigley wasn't the "in thing" to do for many people, what would the Cubs' attendence be? In other words, how many people in Chicago are actually interested in going to a baseball game for the baseball? Here's another angle. The two Los Angeles teams draw 3 million plus, year in and year out, but the city will not support a football team. Figure that one out. (I don't think it's as easy as saying Los Angelinos don't like football.) About the football team, contrary to popular belief, the city just doesn't give a damn about football. In Chicago, baseball is a major sport and tons of people care about it. I don't think Cub fans don't get as much credit as they deserve. Their fanbase has increased knowledge of the team. I mean, I even know this one completely ditzy girl who doesn't watch any other sports who can tell me what's Aramis Ramirez's stats and stays up to watch the Cubs play the west coast games. So far, most of the Cub fans I've met this year are actually baseball smart. Even they will be the first to tell you Nomar shouldn't be starting in the ASG.

I thought Ozzie ball was supposed to put us up there, not at the dweller of these stats.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:03 AM) I just found it hilarious that someone living on the west coast was b****ing about attendance. The irony is delicious. Just as relevant as someone from the suburbs b****ing about Timo or Crede.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 12:58 AM) And #2 is the entire reason this thread is pointless. As are the other threads. Hell, why not just shutdown soxtalk.com since all the discussions are pointless? This is just as pointless as a Chavez thread or Timo Sucks, etc. thread.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 09:52 PM) WNBA Title over 5 bucks Sue Bird over Lauren Jackson $100,000 over White Sox WS (only because my family really needs the money)

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 12:20 AM) Brantley b****ed out Ozzie for not taking Buehrle out of a game in which he was cruising and at 91 pitches. He's obnoxious and annoying. He said he should've taken out Buehrle after he gave up the leadoff hit. I tend to agree. He also said you should get your closer in there in a save situation. Ozzie didn't. It wasn't before the inning started, it was after the first hit Brantley said Hermy should go in.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 12:26 AM) If Jermaine could play SS for a half an inning, couldn't he give 1B a shot? Oddly enough, Dye or Everett or Thomas aren't the problems offensively right now -- Konerko is. ...then again, I see he had two hits tonight. I don't give a damn where he bats, Thomas needs to be in the lineup daily. Yeah, I was seriously thinking about Everett or Dye playing 1B at least until Gload is back. PK, even with his "surge" if that's what you want to call it as of late he's still been the worse of the bunch. I seriously think that at least Dye could play 1B and may be better suited there since he can't run like he used to.

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 12:23 AM) so why flip A-Row with Thomas? why has everyone on this site forgotten that from 1999-2002, Konerko was a legit #3 hitter, with a horrid start to 2003 and a bad start this year, without much help from the hitter behind him? Wasn't Frank the #3 hitter from 99-02? I know he was out in 2001, but I thought Maggs took the #3 spot then.

QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 12:16 AM) Back to the topic. Most people said we should not worry about attendance in April and May since the weather is cold, school is not yet out and people need to see for a while whether the Sox are for real. Those same people also said if these problems continued into the summer with us playing well and in first place, then it was time to be concerned. So now I ask? How long do we wait before saying this is a problem? I've been saying this. I didn't go today since it was my grandma's birthday, but I try to make it to every game I can(I'm still currently on pace for my 60). No one will answer it though. I think I got the answer. When the Churros are made right in front of you from scratch, all tickets go on sale for 4 bucks, a stop is made for the Rock Island Metra so fans won't have to go though the "ghetto" and fans get a raffle to take home a player's car for the day

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 12:10 AM) Frank is a RBI producer. You don't bat guys like him 5th. It makes more sense to bat Konerko 5th since he is the anti-clutch. QUOTE(CubsSuck1 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 12:12 AM) Id say split up the Big Hurt and Kong. Frank will get on base a ton with all his walks and Paulie will GIDP 98% of the time

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 12:07 AM) the way Paulie hits (pulling everything), protection with Frank Thomas hitting behind him wouldn't be a bad idea. why not Rowand-Konerko-Thomas at 3-4-5? Because with Konerko batting cleanup, you lose the protection for ARow. PK is pretty much HR or bust. My lineup: Podsednik Iguchi Rowand Thomas(could be flipped with ARow) Pierzynski Dye Konerko Crede Uribe

I'll go with a new manager. I feel the walls will eventually cave in with that guy. Again, he would make a good 3B coach or maybe even a bench coach, because he's a great motivator and a guy who players like, but he says way too much s*** to the media and his decisions lack common sense half the time. Like at the beginning of the year when we weren't getting sweeps, I said and will continue to say, it seems like he'll use that 3rd game for experimenting. Well experimenting should be used when you have clinched a playoff spot.

Yeah, the way Hawk was defending Ozzie tonight was flat out nasty. I didn't like it and hope no one wonders why the Sox can't do good with the national media. Hawk acted like a total ass tonight. All Ozzie should've done was shake his hand and leave. He didn't have to say anything.

Man, that's a b****. The Yankees will probably decide to get hot when they roll into town and we roll into Yankee Stadium.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 09:18 PM) That is a pretty easy question and i am serious. Yeah, the 100,000. And I would take a WNBA title over 5 bucks.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 09:21 PM) So would I. McCarthy could be good but I want to win this year. Exactly.

Fact is he's right and that's how most White Sox fans were thinking during the game.

And that is why I would trade him for the right player.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:24 PM) Wow... that 2000 (or was it 2K1?) draft class for receivers is having a bad offseason, with Terrell and now K-Rob cut. Was Terrell the concensus pick back then? I know they passed on McAllister (sp?), but was he a realistic pick at #8? Nope, Robinson was. Robinson was drafted #6 I believe and many people compared him to a Randy Moss and he was supposed to be the first "next Randy Moss" Terrell was just really good in college and like FredEx, he sucked for the most part(not as bad, but they both had good college careers and bombed out in the NFL).

QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) vikings might be takers, as well as the panthers I see the Panthers, not the Vikings. Vikings already have Nate Burelson, Marcus Robinson, Travis Taylor, Troy Williamson and another WR I can't remember. No definate #1's, but pretty good 2's. Bears need one of these guys though.