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QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:03 PM) I could care less if they trade Crede for Randa or just prospects. As long as we trade for Randa or a 3rd baseman that can hit better than .225 and let Cruddy ride the pine. Then they can decide on what to do with Cruddy after the season is over. Let's also trade PK, Everett, Uribe, and Dye. Because their offense isn't doing good either.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:01 PM) Inferior Glove? I know you are the guy with the Crede's Crew sig and I dont expect anythng but love for Crede but come on. Slight Upgrade? LOL Yes. Randa is solid. He isn't making any spectacular plays at all though on the defensive end. Can he get a ground ball? Yes. Is he going to make a diving catch to his left? No. Crede has that. He's more athletic and could get to more balls than Randa. If you watched both play, you would be able to see that.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:00 PM) That's all well and good, but Randa has been getting less durable the past 2-3 years. Big issue in my book. Safe prediction, the Sox will not trade Crede to Cincy for Randa straight up. Doesn't matter if 3/4 of SoxTalk wants it that way or not. Best post. Crede won't get traded for Randa straight up. What motivation would Cincy have? I just don't see it. If Crede is traded, it's in a package for a bigger player.

Randa is hobbling at this point. KW will make a move that significantly improves the position. He's not going to go for a guy who's a slight upgrade and has injury concerns already. Randa won't help us win anymore games with his injury concerns and his inferior glove. Too early to pull a trigger. You'll see a trade in late June.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:02 PM) Holy smokes. Let me preface all of this by saying I have a great respect for Randa. First of all, Randa was a FA after last year and I didn't see all kinds of teams lining up to get him. He ended up in Cincy, hardly a prime FA destination. One of the reasons why is Randa has a chronic bad back and is 35. He is currently suffering from a badly bruised foot, and it's possible that will dog him through the year. Second, it's May. The team is doing well but I agree can be improved. You guys want to make a trade every week, Sox management - although stubborn at times - prefers to show faith in their players. Showing faith in players generally equals good chemistry which generally plays a part in helping teams win. Third, Crede is not hurting the team defensively. Fourth, and I know people are tired of hearing about this in our short attention span world of "I want it, and I want it right now" ... Crede is 27, Randa 35. There is still a chance Crede will improve, even though no one wants to hear it or even consider it as a possibility. I'm as frustrated with his offense as all you are but I see the value in patience and not making a major trade. You guys have had the following players traded or released so far this year: Dye, Konerko, Crede, Harris, Everett, Contreras, Perez, Cotts, Vizcaino, and others. Every week (every day?) it's somebody else who "sucks" or needs his ass shipped out. That's knee jerk reacting, especially on the last day of May with the team in 1st place. Fifth, whether we like it or not, KW and Guillen love to show faith in their players. They made these decisions in March and two months later they are not inclined to 180 degree turn on those decisions. To me, that's smart ... especially since the team is doing pretty well. If Sox management followed all your guys advice, these players would play with zero confidence ... they'd all be playing afraid to get traded. I know some of you will suggest that's BS, but I'll stand by that. Lastly, the trade market will heat up this month and next. KW and Guillen will see where they're at and what they need ... AFTER giving these guys who are mostly veterans a chance to work through things. Every week Guillen makes a statement about showing faith in players. KW and Reinsdorf give Guillen an extension so it stands to reason they agree with showing faith in their players too. Of course there can be improvements, but I see KW adding to the team vs. changing out a key position like 3B. And by the way, I do not think adding some salary is a problem for the White Sox, i.e. I don't think they'd be afraid to add Randa's contract which I believe is a 2 yr. deal. But I don't think they feel it's the right move to trade Crede for Randa. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so. Now ... if something happens to Crede I'm in your camp. Get on the phone and get Randa. I agree strongly with this. I remember how people were calling for Contreras to be traded after one outing. Harris has been good for us and so have the others. Everyone has contributed at least a couple times this season and some of the fans are so quick to jump on someone and ask management to trade or wiave their ass. It seems as if this game isn't perfect for one day someone has to be traded. Newsflash, not even the Yankees are perfect. KW will wait to see what impact Frank has on the team. I say by late June, you'll start getting ideas of who actually has a chance of being traded. Trade Contreras posts were funny though. Any possible way that a rant thread could be stickied so all ludicrous trades and b****ing about players could be put in there?

You're a bad person.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ May 31, 2005 -> 08:59 AM) LMAO What an exquisite character, running around getting mad and punching people in the nuts. That wasn't the first episode with Paul on the court, and it definitely won't be the last, he has some major issues. If he has an exquisite character then Ruben Patterson is a charming individual. I haven't heard of his other run ins. I'm pretty sure that was his only run in in his basketball career. There isn't character issues there. Trust me.

QUOTE(Heartattack19 @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:48 PM) Is it true that UIC is tearing down the baseball foeld on Roosevelt to make way for a Chemistry Building. If so, that is a shame, it is a great field and has a great veiw of the Skyline. Plus, it is the site of my only home run i ever hit over a fence! I haven't heard anything about that. I know we wont' be using the old Phys Ed Building(I think they're tearing that down) and their building a new Phys Ed building on Halsted & Harrison.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:12 PM) It definitely wouldn't be the first time Chad Ford got something wrong... I'll wait to see what happens before I bash him anymore. If he stays in Detroit then I apologize for calling him a liar. We will see. How is he a liar? The man has hip problems. He isn't going into another coaching job. Also, if he was coaching at another place(not that he is) Detroit as a franchise should've known he was leaving sooner rather than later. That's his MO. He'll fix up a team and leave. If you thought he was going to stay longer, you've fooled yourself.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 31, 2005 -> 11:33 AM) I'd rather have Crede. I appreciate his fielding, and his chemistry in the field with Juan. I think his hitting comes at good times, and he fits nicely into our lineup. Unless it is Eric Chavez, count me out. If you ain't getting Chavez, don't bother.

Went to yesterday's thriller in which I almost felt induced into attacking Ozzie in the dugout myself. Going tonight. Diamond Suite tickets baby!

If you're going past 35th(going south) then you shouldn't take the Red Line unless you live in a neighborhood close to the stop. If you're going to Beverly, it's better to take the Red Line to downtown and get on the Rock Island.

QUOTE(Antonio Osuna @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:28 AM) I think most people don't realize that it's a two-sided coin. Yes, the hitting is due to heat up, but the pitching is even more due to cool down. Very true. And welcome to soxtalk

YES!!!!!!! My UIC Flames got in. I can't believe there isn't more UIC fans here. I mean Oney Guillen is on the team there.

Okay guys, first off he isn't coaching anymore after this season. He has a goddamn hip problem that he can't deal with anymore. He's taking a front office job with a team. Secondly, the reason he has to accept it now is because the draft is a week at most from the NBA Finals. They need to get everything in place now so they know what direction they(CLE) are going in and what Brown wants to do in terms of bringing in personel. They have to do it now. Plus there was a guy in the Pacers organization who had to know by tonight because he was told that by Pacers officials(he was also up for the job). So don't be so damn quick to jump on the guy.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:12 AM) Shoulda, woulda, coulda. That ball was no where near the zone. With a full count and the bases loaded, he has to throw a pitch that's at least near the strike zone. Hence, you try to get him to chase. It was a good pitch, but better patience by the hitter. Again, you throw it in the strike zone or anywhere near it and the guy will get a hit and you put yourself in more deep s***.

Carl couldn't get a sac fly today and he struck out. Kick him off the squad

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:06 AM) And just because Iguchi didn't turn the DP, that doesn't mean it's okay that Marte walked a run in. He needed to at least make the batter put the ball into play. Iguchi blew it and Marte choked. Marte tried to get him to swing at a slider. The slider was never supposed to hit the strike zone. If he did that, the ball would be in play and probably 2 runs score instead of one. What? You wanted him to give up something down the middle of the plate? It was either going to be a slider low and away or a high fastball. Not his fault.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:02 AM) Marte walked a run in. I wouldn't call that "doing his job." Double play is turned and that's not discussed. He was used as a lefty specialist in that situation, did his job and got a DP ball which is his job. Gooch didn't turn it.

I don't buy into this whole theory that the bats will all of a sudden warm up. I think it's a problem. We better get a huge lead before we get to that stretch. And the Sox this year have been making bad/average pitchers look like Cy Young(Westbrook, E Santana to name a couple).

31-0-0 Hermy winning. Marte did his job today, but Gooch f'd up. I vote Hermy even though Marte is my favorite player.

This is why Timo's still on the team. He gets hits when he needs to. I have never disliked Timo. Has he struggled? Yes, and he probably will be like that(which is why he isn't a starter) but he's a supersub(ala Hollandsworth who's just in a hitting slump like the rest of the team. For him, it's magnified simply because everyone wants the bench to bat over .300

Shingo needs the pitching coach to tell him what to work on in Triple A and work on it. Same with Neal Cotts. For some reason the Sox are stubborn on keeping Neal out of the minors. They need to just put him there. And get Shingo's translator back. Why the hell isn't he here? How do you expect to communicate with Shingo if he isn't there?

Designated Matt Herges for assignment. I would tell the Sox to pick him up, but he was one of the pricks on SF that didn't like AJ.

Chavez. Imagine the protection PK would get with Frank and Chavez. They would all help each other out big time and the offense would start to surge. And this is coming from the creator of Soxtalk's "Crede's Crew". If we could get Chavez, I'd be ecstatic, but I doubt it happens.