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Contreras' last 4 starts: 0-3 23.1 IP 27 H 21 ER 16 BB 14 K Would the real Jose Contreras stand up? Ok, thank you. Now pull your head out of your ass.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 2, 2005 -> 12:19 PM) [/b] That's the thing. The guy is like 35-40 years old and has been pitching since he was probably 14. He's not learning anything else. This is the pitcher that Jose Contreras is, but he's actually more of a thrower. He has no idea how to pitch and he's too pig-headed or scared to listen to the catcher. The thing that scares me is that I don't trust him or McCarthy now. I really feel like we need another starter. Jose just can't do it. It's not a thing about not listening to the catcher. The catcher can tell Jose everything to do, but Jose just can not execute. AJ can't make Jose's arm throw the ball to his mitt.

QUOTE(Spod=Ratings @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 02:23 AM) ya that game cameron hit 4 i knew we were in trouble What? You mean you didn't have faith in Jon Rauch and Jim "Butter" Parque? I thought for sure we were gonna pitch a shutout that game...

If Ozzie uses Walker like he did in the Angels game, I'm gonna cry...

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) very good. I'm still wondering why we are even carrying Willie? What does he do? At least give it to Baj or Jenks who do something. Stanton would look marvelous I think...

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 12:48 PM) I never said he was a fluke. I said he isn't the same pitcher that he used to be. There's a difference. Why don't we go get Chan Ho Park too, he used to be pretty good. Maybe we can get Kerry Wood while we're at it. Take a look at his stats for this season and tell me that he is an ace that is going to get us to the series. I'll believe it when I see him put up a few more good starts. You're right...Pitchers never go through small stretches where there don't perform. Pitcher's never go through a period of dead arm or something of that sort. 12-13 starts and suddenly he's Chan Ho Park...Wow.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 10:30 AM) Did ESPN suddenly have a different attitude last year when we acquired Garcia, who was the #1 pitcher on the trading block until we grabbed him? We didn't have the best record in MLB...

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 09:51 AM) Isn't the whole point of trading for Schmidt so that Schmidt can replace El Duque/McCarthy in the rotation? Doing this really doesn't affect this, right? Not necessarily. KW could be looking to get a pitcher than can win games in the playoffs. Contreras has shown he isn't a big game pitcher. KW knows this. Perhaps that's his thinking. I was listening the Mike North morning show and they were talking about how they think a SP will be included in a deal and whether they agree with it. I missed the intro so I dont know whether there is any basis to that or just chit-chat. Trading Contreras in a Schmidt deal could allow us to keep BMac. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Contreras was traded...

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 02:47 PM) LAA is the only team with a better 4th starter than us. Minny doesn't have a good 4th starter. I believe that's Kyle Lohse or Joe Mays right now. They aren't better than Count and remember, Count dominates bad hitting clubs usually. Minny is a bad hitting club. Boston had Clement and Schilling, but Miller or Wakefield as their 4th. Miller isn't back to his form pre injury. And Minny does not have a better hitting club than us. And none of those teams will add a pitcher? If the Sox don't snag AJ or Schmidt someone will, and it won't be a non-contendor.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 01:26 PM) Yes, absolutely, we have to trust our scouting. And medical people too. Pitchers are an interesting group, they can bounce back from small injuries or they can go south very quickly. Any time you pay a lot for a pitcher, whether it's salary or players given up, it's always a big risk. We have to trust the scouts and other pertinent people to make sure it's the lowest risk. Exactly...That's why if we do acquire Schmidt, I trust that he is back to form or very close to it, and will not worry much about his drop in velocity in his first 8-9 starts of the season.

Do we not trust our scouting? All this drop in velocity talk w/ some people saying it has been up in his past 2 starts. I trust our scouts to make the correct evaluation.

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 12:44 PM) Sorry for asking this dumb question, but why do we need Schmidt or Burnett again? A move for AJ or Schmidt is not a move to win the division. We can win the division with our current team. A move for one them is a move to win the World Series, and with one of them aboard, we have a great chance at winning it. But I guess we don't need one.

QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:12 AM) It looks like Burnett will be going to Baltimore Good. I'd rather deal from the farm system and get Schmidt than deal Marte along with a couple top spects for Burnett. Plus Schmidt has an option for next year if the Sox so choose, while Burnett is a FA set to make more than the $10 million option Schmidt has...

QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:20 AM) FOR SALE? The Chronicle asked a scout for a National League team in contention to rank the five Giants who might be most desirable to other teams for the stretch drive, regardless of their contracts. Here is the scout's list, plus some comments: 1. Jason Schmidt "I know for sure one team is actively pursuing Schmidt. No doubt he is No. 1." White Sox pleeeease...

My 10 team fantasy rotation dwindles in comparison...

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:09 AM) Seriously? I will nut in my pants if you are telling the truth. Would there be a better rotation in baseball than this? Mark Buehrle Jason Schmidt Freddy Garcia Jon Garland Jose Contreras Stop it. Just stop it...I can't look at that rotation.

QUOTE(Cubs Suck23 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:04 AM) I live in SF and Schmidt to the Whitesox is a very strong possibility the rumor is that they have put the best deal on the table but Sabean wants to wait to see what other offers are out there... I pray to god Schmidt throws gas tonight...I will be watching that game for sure on MLB.TV...

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 09:25 AM) I was just talking to a buddy of mine from San Francisco and there is a trade rumor floating around out there about the White Sox. Again this is a rumor and it came from their local radio, so take it for what it's worth. White Sox get: SP Jason Schmidt 3B Edgardo Alfonzo, on the DL but due to come off of it this week SF Giants get: 3B Joe Crede SP Brandon McCarthy OF Ryan Sweeney SP Sean Tracey The question is would you do it? 3 of our top 10 prospects and our current major league 3B? That is a hell of a lot to give up. That's an interesting proposal. So I guess it basically breaks down to Sweeney/BMac for Schmidt and Crede/Tracey for Alfonzo. How's Alfonzo's defense? He's always been a pretty good hitter who gets on base at a decent clip. Also doesn't strike out much at all. I'm gonna go out on a limp here and say the Sox will have some scouts in ARZ tonight to watch Schmidt's start...

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 24, 2005 -> 11:11 AM) Buehrle 1st. Whatever...Doesn't matter to me.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 24, 2005 -> 11:03 AM) Thats a toughy...... How about Schmidt-Buehrle-Garland-Garcia....Best 4-some in the last decade? Or Schmidt-Buehrle-Garland-Garcia-Contreras...Best 5 man rotation in the last decade?

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 24, 2005 -> 10:54 AM) My concerns about getting a SP like Schmidt who's signed past this year was that the Sox wouldn't have money for signing Garland. That in itself could alter team chemistry by briunging in a guy, throwing money at him, thereby leaving out deserving guys [AJ, Garland, etc]. Yet the team option leaves the sox an out. And esp. if Hermanson and AJ could vouch for Schmidt, I wouldn't have the same concerns I had earlier. Still, I'd expect the sox to lose at least 2 top prospects, and another in the top 10-15. The option also give the Sox the ability to trade either Schmidt or most likely Contreras to free up the money AND get some of the prospects that we gave up to get Schmidt in the first place. I think it's worth the gamble to trade some top spects for Schmidt and a good shot at the World Series, and then have the option of either keeping him and spending extra money for Garland or picking up Schmidt's option and then trading him for some top spects to replace the ones we lost. Or just getting rid of Contreras and his $6 million and keeping Schmidt...So many good options that KW could do after this season, making this trade very friendly...

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 24, 2005 -> 10:38 AM) That, I didn't know. Could make a big difference. the Sox probably wouldn't give Schmidt Jon Garland's money. But if they can cut ties with him [or if he proves to be a difference maker and gives the sox some hardware, they could keep him and move one of the Cubans], I could see something like this go down. I would hope that the Sox wouldn't throw away Schmidt's money either. $10 million for Schmidt is a steal. I can't believe a pitcher like him is reportedly available. He's a staff anchor. Schilling-Johnson...Prior-Wood...Schmidt-Buehrle........... EDIT: Prior-Wood meaning playoff performance only...

QUOTE(upnorthsox @ Jun 24, 2005 -> 09:42 AM) Yea gut the farm system for a 2 month rental, that's a smart move. No you don't "gut" it for a 2 month rental. You gut it for the best pitcher in the NL the past few seasons, who at $8+ million this season and $10 million next season would be a complete steal with the current prices for SP on the FA market. Pavano got $10 mil and isnt half the pitcher Schmidt is. Schmidt has been a top 3 pitcher in the majors for the past 3-4 seasons. You don't find pitchers like this available, ever...This is all barring his is completely healthy, and if the Sox scouts believe that he is healthy, then you get him. No one can match Schmidt-Buehrle-Garcia in the playoffs. No one...

Lowe=very overrated

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 21, 2005 -> 03:50 PM) No way, you would put Oswalt in the first three at least. It he was #1 you could go righty, lefty, righty, sinkerballer, Cuban/ Let me get this straight, MB-FG-Garland-Contreras-Oswalt or Oswalt-MB-FG-Garland-Contreras...What's the difference??? Unless this is the playoff rotation, then there is no difference... And if it is the playoff rotation Oswalt is in the 1st or 2nd spot...