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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 12:09 PM) He took off when it was fair, made a good baserunning call in advancing to 2nd and was safe. So players should just wait till the ball lands fair and then start to run? That's news to me....I'm not arguing the base running play between 1B and 2B. I'm arguing that Pauly wasn't running from the start. Little League, Big League, whatever.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 12:07 PM) cut off at home??? What??? There was nobody even remotely going to home. Carl barely made third on that play. Great Post Soxbadger, my sentiments exactly. That's what you do on doubles down the LF line. You don't set up for a cutoff to 2B. If it was a routine single to LF then they would have setup for a cutoff to 2B to keep Pauly from advancing. Instead they lined up for cutoff to home in case Carl was sent. They conceded the double.

QUOTE(TheBigHurt @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 11:57 AM) That's not true. No one could say whether that ball would be fair or foul, the hesitation, especially given his position, was not a bad thing. He got to second. The ump made a bad call. And if Paulie WOULD have been able to tell it was fair, what would have happened? He would have gotten to second. Same damn thing. As I said, the ump just made the wrong call. Thats the point! No one knew. Pauly didn't know. That's why you run it out! The hesitation was a good thing. However, it was set up by Pauly's loafing from home to first. And why people are just brushing this off is beyond me. This team is no where near being good enough to take plays off. Pauly is no exception. Just because you are slow. You sprint from the start and if it was clear that he couldn't have made it to 2B, then Pauly would have retreated back to first. If not, then advance to 2B. Instead, he stood in the box until the ball landed fair, and then started to run, and eventually put himself into the position of make or break. And he broke.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 11:57 AM) Yes he would have, if he booked directly to 2nd base from the get go, they would have thrown him out. His hesitation and reaction were smart and agressive. The SS was cutting in down the left field line! They were lining up for a cut off to home. Not to "gun" Pauly out at 2B. No one from their team even looked to 2B.

QUOTE(TheBigHurt @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 11:52 AM) What does it matter? Paulie was standing in the right place at the right time, so the fact he didn't run to first is irrelevant. Wrong. If he would have run from the getgo, he wouldnt have had to decide whether to hesitate or not.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 11:47 AM) The throw was gunned to third, delayed, and then gunned to 2nd and he was barel safe and called out. If they saw Paulie going for 2nd he would have been gunned out directly. He is not fleet of foot, and that was an iffy double for him. That's what happens when you wait at home plate long enough to tie your shoe, and then start running. The combined time Pauly spent standing in the box AND hesitating between 1B and 2B would have been more than enough to make it at least 45 feet. He loafed.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 11:20 AM) If he "sprinted" out of the box right away, he still would of had to wait between 1st and 2nd, there was no chance for a stand up double when the throw could've beat him at 2nd if it was directly thrown there. He did run this out, and was safe. No way...That was the most routine double ever. Pauly didn't start running until the ball was a foot off the ground. He lost at least 4 strides by standing in the box. More than enough to coast into 2B. Pauly should have easily been standing on 2B. No doubt about it. Even the defense was aligning for cut off to home plate, not to get the ball back into 2B to stop Pauly from getting into scoring position.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 10:40 AM) 1. Paulie beat the tag. 2. Paulie slowed down between 1st and 2nd to make sure the throw wasn't going straight to 2nd - if they had done that he'd have been meat even if he'd been flooring it. Those are the only 2 parts I care about. You dont care that he was loafing from the start? That bothers me more than anything. Pauly deserved to be called out. Sweet justice. Maybe he'll run the next one out.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 09:33 AM) There is nothing else you can ask for in a baseball player. It was a smart play, I was sitting right there, and I think he should be congradulated by Ozzie for his smart and aggressive play. That was a smart play to hold for an instant between 1B and 2B. What wasn't a smart play was standing in the box thinking the ball was going foul, and then just before it hits down, start running. That's where Pauly f***ed up. Replays over and over showed Pauly's ass standing in the box as the ball dropped inside the line. If he would have ran for the getgo, it would have been a standup double. RUN IT OUT!

QUOTE(3E8 @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:52 AM) I guess it comes down to which you value more: ~$13 million or 3 prospects. More importantly...Whether the Reds are just willing to give Griffey away.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 09:19 PM) I know some people defend Levine on this site, but he's one of the worst "inside" guys in baseball. I can't remember the last time he was on top of a trade rumor. When's Bruce gonna hang em up? Hopefully soon.

QUOTE(scotty22hotty @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 09:13 PM) Ozzie doesn't want Jr., We have a set OF... With Jr. in LF or CF, this team becomes weaker. This is why we got Pods... to get a true leadoff man and Carl at DH. Lee>Jr. This trade would be pointless... We need pitching! Jr>>>>Carl That's the comparison you should be making...

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 09:08 PM) Trust me, I agree with you. However, I don't think there's a chance in hell KG Jr. would play LF. Even Ozzie was considering playing Rowand in LF before the season. So you think Ozzie will bounce Aaron around all 3 OF positions after what Ozzie has seen out of Aaron in CF and all the praise he's given him? Also, I don't know if Ozzie was expecting Aaron to be this good in CF before the season.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 08:55 PM) Everett at less than 100 pct in the outfield is a recipe for disaster or an injury. If he does play more than a few games in the outfield while he's still not 100 pct., then we might not have to worry about who would play in the playoffs. Taking Rowand out of a GG position and sticking in a 35 year old injury plagued veteran who's bat would do wonders for our team, is recipe for disaster. Especially when that 35 year old veteran is your best hitter and owed a buttload of money over the next 25 years.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 08:37 PM) Griffey is alot better fielder than Pods or Everett, Hawk sounds stupid when he says where would he play nonsense. Lets get Griffey..........NOW Griffey in CF is better than Pods or Carl in LF, but with no experience in LF, we really don't know how Jr. would adjust to LF and i dont know if that is something Ozzie/KW will want to do while we are charging for the pennant. Carl/Pods in LF, Aaron in CF, and Dye in RF w/ Jr. at DH is the best lineup...

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 08:19 PM) There's not a manager in baseball who would play Everett in the field over Griffey Jr. Griffey Jr. on his worst night is better in the field than Everett is on his best night. If Griffey's role is to be the full-time DH, I could very well see Ozzie doing just that. Has he not proven that he will play guys out of position and create some wacky lineups just to keep certain guys in their roles? I don't see Ozzie moving Aaron. Everett is a corner OF. Griffey is not. Even for Griffey, Aaron is too far superior in CF and the DH spot is open. Besides this might be a moot point as this trade if it happens at all, could happen when Pods gets healthy.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 08:14 PM) Griffey Jr. is healthy right now, Everett isn't. I also think that Griffey Jr.'s pride might be serverly hurt if he becomes a DH. If Griffey thinks he's coming here to play CF most of the time, he's dense. He sees Frank is down and Aaron is a Gold Glove candidate. I have a hard time believing Jr. would be shocked and offended if he was the full-time DH if he accepted a trade here.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 08:11 PM) Everett in the field over Griffey Jr.? Are you nuts? For those 2 weeks while Scotty is on the DL? FOR SURE. Defensively Griffey is far superior. However, that upgrade in LF does not justify the injury risk that there would be for those 2 weeks. Griffey would be brought here SOLELY because of his bat. To put that in jepardy would be a mistake.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 08:06 PM) I agree with you....but that's not going to happen. I think KW and Ozzie would have an easier time telling Rowand to go to LF than they would a guy who's viewed as a HOF at the CF position. I think KW would sit down and tell Griffey that he would DH 90% of the time with us. I would much rather see Everett in LF, Rowand in CF, and Griffey at DH while Scotty's on the DL for those 2 weeks. We don't need to push for anything, and Griffey's bat would be one of the most important things that this team would need come October.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 09:25 AM) Kenny wants Griffey, the teams agreed on a trade. Cincinnatti's owner does not want to get rid of him. Really?

Rowand to lead off then? I can't imagine Ozzie using Pablo or Timo at leadoff for any extended period of time. Also, Pablo sucks. Timo>>Pablo. If Pablo slaps another weak grounder to 2B again, I may throwup.

We should combine forces with all White Sox message boards and raise money...

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 08:24 AM) There is not a chance in hell Angelos would take on Griffey's entire contract with his injury history. The Yankees may claim him, but I doubt it unless they have something worked out for a trade. They don't have the money to burn this year, and would be locked into Griffey for a long time. I would be real surprised if Griffey didn't clear waivers. There is too much of an injury history with too much money left on the table. I would be surprised if NYY claimed Griffey. 1 because he's overpaid. 2 because they are in dire need of pitching and will most likely claim any pitcher put on waivers. 3 because I think they will make a hard charge at Damon in the offseason. I'd think they would much rather overpay for Damon than an aging Griffey who's better suited at DH for the remainder of his career.

Ok...Is Hermy's back a problem or is Ozzie the problem?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 10, 2005 -> 01:56 PM) With any luck, we clinch in like 25 days and Hermanson gets a month off while Jenks and Bajenaru close games. Hermy's gotta be sharp...