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QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 1, 2017 -> 11:42 AM) That's probably because your hate for him clouds your logic. Muslims were beat and targeted after 9/11 in NY under GWB anyways. Ok, what happens if the president defends and does not discourage that violence, says the attackers were very fine people defending themselves? Would less attacks happen?

By this time in Bush's presidency, he was 2 months removed from the worst terror attack in US history, and it would be about 17 months before we would invade Iraq. Trump has shown no sign he is actually a dove at this point. If an attack the size of 9/11 happened on his watch, his words have offered plenty on how he would handle.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 1, 2017 -> 10:18 AM) I dunno, I guess I've always assumed that this sort of thing happens in circles where the powerful, wealthy, famous, etc run. Obviously it happens outside of those circles as well, but when you have people with power, influence and money, people will look the other way a lot of times in order to share in those things. I by no means want to get into a big debate about human sexuality, but humans will be humans, and drunken humans will be even worse. Luckily, most of us tend to obey some of these arbitrary laws meant to protect certain members of society, but not everyone will. And if you are someone that has something to offer those around you, a lot of secrets are kept. I know it isn't a hot take by any means, but it doesn't shock me at all that some of the worst in humans tends to come out in excess when you allow people to feast on power, wealth and influence. I'm not shocked when I hear the ability of weinstein to bully silence, or radner, or halperin. Shocked by the numbers and sad about it. And I think the sad and unfair thing is in their mind they are somewhat playing a game of hollywood and the lack of distance to reality emboldens them. But I did not believe child actors or children in general would be part of that. There are a lot of touchpoints with hollywood actors and films moreso than the power meetings with director and casting. If low-level tech people knew an actor was innappropriate with children, yeah I'm just shocked that doesn't go through to at least journalists prior.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 1, 2017 -> 10:05 AM) It is the same thing he has said about everyone for years now. I don't recall him mentioning specific players like this. There's a difference, imo, between saying everyone is available and mentioning specific guys.

I sort of agree. I will be surprised if he's moved just because I don't see a market, but it's weird Hahn would go out of his way to say Abreu/Garcia are available.

That browns stuff turned out to be false I heard.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 10:23 PM) I mean... Yes? Obviously not defending, but there's a difference between making a move and the kid rebuffing it and actual rape. As for shame on us, there's nothing any of us could've said or done that would've meant anything. Rapp has credibility and name recognition. That's the difference there. There's a reason I asked what you actually heard, it's still unclear. It is very shocking to me that it would be an open secret that Spacey was predatory toward children. And look at Rapp in 86...he was not a "younger guy" he was a kid. And I just doubt if he did that it was an isolated incident. People shrugging shoulders at stuff like that is how situations like Penn St. happen. I mean seriously what would people's reaction be if at a party they went upstairs and caught a family friend on top of a 14 year old boy at midnight after the friend had been drinking. It would be taken seriously I'm sure.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 05:25 PM) Did this gentleman who Spacey supposedly made a pass at actually state that he was indeed molested? Or that he knew Spacey "wanted to get in his pants," or whatever phrase he used? Not defending anyone, just curious whether his behavior actually rose to the level of molestation or sexual assault, as some folks have alluded to. This is the account. It luckily stopped with Rapp pushing away and leaving. This is from cnn article. "He picked me up like a groom picks up the bride over the threshold. But I don't, like, squirm away initially, because I'm like, 'What's going on?' And then he lays down on top of me." "He was trying to seduce me," Rapp told the website. "I don't know if I would have used that language. But I was aware that he was trying to get with me sexually." He said he felt Spacey "pressing into me" and "tightening his arms."

no Fomo on any of those trades minus gulping on Jimmy G.

In Illinois I was definitely taught that Robert E Lee was a reluctant soldier who didn't even believe in slavery but loved the south and states rights, but I didn't really encounter the "the civil war was about states rights not slavery" until I lived in Missouri.

It's looking...unlikely.

I'm not gonna lie I want a deal done even though I'll regret not having a pick.

By younger guys do you mean minors though? I know people that exclusively date women under 25 and we say they are only into younger women, but I don't assume they ... would hit on minors. Your story seems to be that everyone knew he was gay. But he's not in trouble for being gay, he's in trouble for in this case molesting a 14 year old boy. If people knew that he did this a lot...shame on them

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 01:42 PM) Is Landry a #1 or more like a really good #2? Any attitude issues? He's not a deep threat guy, more of a good possession #2, in vein of players like pierre garcon

That he was gay or a was a child molester and serial sexual assaulter? I guess I don't run in the same gossip circles.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 10:03 AM) I understand the state media point, but there is a good portion of "ha, look at the stupid people!" too. It's crazy because all it does is help Trump and his narratives of everyone and the media being against us. I guess it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Every criticism of Trump or Fox news apparently helps trump. But his approval rating before monday dropped to 32%.

I go back and forth on this, which is okay, because I put odds of the WHITE SOX doing this at like .05%

I hate lost cause-ism so much. If nothing else, for how it so effectively promotes those who were wrong to heroes and those who were right to after thoughts. There were southerners, slaves and free, who went to fight for union and should be lionized for their conviction and bravery. Generals like Winfield Scott (well-known, for sure, but less for his civil war decision to fight for union) to George Henry Thomas who fought for the north and became excommunicated from his family for it. John Logan isn't revered enough. He fought for the right side, he fought for right values in office post civil war. We have Logan Circle and statue in grant park, but he's not at the tip of the tongue. History-erasing lost causers.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 07:58 AM) The obsession with Fox News is fascinating to me. I saw more tweets yesterday about Fox News than I did the indictments. Meanwhile, every tweet about them gives them more publicity. Every "look at what crazy Tomi Lahren said now!" video just adds to her followers. They can't pay for this type of free pub. Meanwhile, 25% of the country uses TMZ as their one and only news source, maybe that's just as big of a problem? I think this is a bit disingenous to as why people are focusing on fox. It's not "ha, look at the stupid people!" Fox, and specifically fox and friends and then hannity, have become a tell for what Trump will start tweeting angrily about. Everyone knows the president watches it, and so when major news around the investigation into the president drops and they are covering emojis it just underscores that dynamic. It is for all intents and purposes state media with Trump in office.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 08:52 AM) Basically, the short version is: Every court level has a right to rule on this case, all the way up to the US Supreme Court. Every court that gets this case on appeal will do 1 of 2 things: 1. Summarily rule that Elliott has no chance 2. Issue a "Stay" delaying the suspension until they have a chance to rule. Elliott's case is currently at the US District Court Level and he's been turned down at this level. There are 2 higher levels: the Federal Appeals Court and the US Supreme Court. You can expect him to file a motion with the Court of Appeals probably today. They will do 1 of the 2 options listed above. He has a very weak case given how the NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement works, so they may rule against him summarily, but most often the court will still hear the case, which would require delaying the suspension until he can fit on their calendar. Given the footnotes in that ruling I"d imagine he's about to just fold.

Throwing him in to start in a new system in a week is a hell of a start

notably from yesterday.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 30, 2017 -> 03:22 PM) looks like the unnamed "high ranking campaign official" who Papadopolous kept talking to about Russian contacts is Corey Lewandowski, Trump's campaign manager before Manafort. https://twitter.com/maxbergmann/status/925089186117570560 Everyone else is saying it's manafort.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2017 -> 12:32 PM) No one is bringing up when Trump looked into the camera and told Russia to hack Hillary's emails. What a great place to hide, right in the open. “I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican nominee said at a news conference in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.” http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...t&p=3571797

Such a relief. Best wishes to Miller on a recovery. So glad he pulled through in tact.