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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 04:32 PM) It is really a crappy labor practice to quite literally have different sets of rules for different nationalities. It should all be in one pool. Either draft or free agent, period. Oh I agree, but the reason they stood firm ont he draft was it would reduce spending. But then they agreed to reduced spending and acted like the draft was the problem! It was weird.

I don't think it should be too elaborate, could get too cute by half. BUT, from the White Sox point of view they were not in the penalty in 2016 and lost the opportunity to sign these players because they didn't do it illegally.

The draft would cut out a lot of shenanigans but it also hurts player wages. OTOH, the most recent CBA put such a harsh cap on it anyways I don't know why "the draft" is what the players stood firm on as opposed to the spending on the players.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 04:19 PM) For what little it's worth, I also don't think Cuonzo is a very good coach. Felt that way when Illinois fans wanted him more than anything and still feel that way now. He's not a third tier coach that would have hurt a player to stay with him. He's a coach that has relied on a slow pace too often. There's a difference.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 03:27 PM) If not done this offseason I think the chance he goes full blown free agent is a better reality. Agreed.

BA's Cooper makes good point that it may not be a coincidence this punishment drops before Otani comes over.

Info on the players released: https://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...ospects-braves/ I like Soto if we can't afford the higher end guys. Love reading good baseball instincts with lower level guys.

What I'm taking from that is if the 300k exists, the most we can offer is 500k. But we don't know anyway.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 03:22 PM) Did anyone say if the $300k penalty is still in place? If not we are probably in good position not having any commitments for next year and money left for this year. I have not seen anything clarifying this. Passan's tweets on dipping into next years was vague on it.

Okay from Manfred's statement which is only an image from JJ Coopers tweet I can't seem to save: It seems the reason they came down so hard was that the braves were doing the same sort of thing as the red sox, but so dramatically as to avoid the "overage" penalty that would have prevented them from being players in the 2016 class, which they went BIG on. Beyond that year, they were doing the same sign a bunch of low level players to funnel money to other players to get past 300k. IF that's all they were doing, they'd have red sox sanctions. Makes sense. They shouldn't have had a 2016 INTl season, so all of those players are released.

Dannggggg Coppy is banned for life from MLB

Getting any would be nice. Our farm isn't necessarily young, so this provides a starting point to a new "wave" as Rick is trying to create.

Moore didn't even really deny it.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 02:39 PM) Question is, which team gets busted next? I doubt them and the Red Sox are the only ones cheating in one way or another when it comes to these signings/agreements. We know the punishments now, is a report going to come out? It may be interesting to know what was so brazen as to make this so much more severe.

I mean wilder was basically racketeering, I actually think we got off light but reality was he was committing crimes against white sox so it's not the same as an org "cheating".

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 02:22 PM) So basically what we did after the Wilder fiasco Ha, well at least they got some benefit to it pre penalty. We got nothing from Wilder AND then had to start from scratch years later.

QUOTE (Quin @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 02:18 PM) Guys, Austin is full of hotter takes than J4L we know this J4L is mostly right. Austin's still trying to land one.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) Soto and Yefri del Rosario had also both made it to the United States. Wow. Soto had a nice 12% walk rate as a 17 year old in gulf league. No power yet. Could be interesting.

I am pleased with the MLB here. This is sufficient punishment and should be a deterrent in the future. I wonder if issue was braves literally paying out to some of these players prior to contract to ensure they never really hit the market.

Third rate coach, gtfo. s*** didn't hurt Jaylen Brown. Johnny Jones sure ruined Ben Simmons.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 01:21 PM) Its probably good pr for both of them. Trump's base likely loves this stuff and I doubt that many of Ball's potential customers are going to side with Trump. It's why i'm not sure this will ever end. These two found each other and neither will blink. You aren't supposed to cross these streams.

I'm sympathetic to the view that Trump's election led to the revelations about weinstein actually "meaning" something. Trump being teflon to those accusations I think made people realize how performative the reactions to these claims have been. Something like the problem was they got caught. Maybe not the best way to put it, but the sheer number of victims from cosby to weinstein and how they were enabled made people wake up to something.

Also mizzou played so bad the last two games. I don't know if they are a tourney team without porter, probably not. But makes sense they may have had something else on their minds.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 01:32 PM) Back surgery/problems is definitely something that could cost the guy first round status. True, but if he works out and people say he looks okay, you go. If not, poor kid. Basketball has those handful of cases where star loses their career to injury. But largely I like the sport because it's not debilitated by star injuries each year. Can't imagine the pain of losing it all right as it's about to begin.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 01:23 PM) Dom Nunez, Jason Martin, and some of the arms seem interesting. Not much beyond that, though. It's a group in which I could see Jordan Guerrero in the top 5. These three were from longenhagen as 3 that surprised him weren't protected: Ryan O'Hearn http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?playe...itting/2017/ALL Carlos Tocci (CF) https://www.baseball-reference.com/register...id=tocci-000car Wyatt Strahan https://www.baseball-reference.com/register...id=straha000wya Also Charcer Burks from the cubs https://www.baseball-reference.com/register...id=burks-000cha