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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:49 AM) The starting price for Chris Sale should be a young cost controlled, somewhat proven star player, and a mess of prospects. We aren't going to get that because we are in season, so we are already settling. If we aren't getting multiple high ranking top prospects. Not bottom of the to 100, but true and legitimate top prospects. If you aren't getting it, you wait til the off season when you can get that major league every day player in a deal. Well, that's your price. I don't see a need to get a proven star when we letting other pieces season while we make a big push of talent at once. Otherwise we will just have the same "WE ARE CLOSER THAN WE APPEAR" logic.

So a few things happened since a couple weeks ago: - The British central bank showed that they would be more capable than they were in the financial crisis to avert crisis - All pro-Brexit politicians somehow exited stage left - The early EU pressure that a decision be made right away then pulled back to waiting until after home EU elections - Theresa May said that the article would not be executed unless Scotland voted yes (which of course, Scotland voted against Brexit initially). Now, are people appropriately accounting for the risk this actually happens? Probably not. But all signs are pointing to a lack of conviction after the vote to pull this off. Especially with the realization that the Northern Ireland peace accords would be screwed with Brexit, or there would just be one open border that basically undermines cloing borders anyway.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) The larger problem is that people simply don't care. Trump is immune to fact-checking. Even if he's busted red-handed on the spot making a huge ass lie about something that's a big deal, his supporters will just go "but Hillary" and waste time with false equivalences. Cause emails.

Well, that will give us something to talk about for a few more hours I trust you FT35, but it just as easily could have been him relaying false info he tried to get around.

I just want to throw out there that if getting moncada meant only getting 1-2 lesser prospects, I'd take the volume of still really good prospects after him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:36 AM) Considering you are give a team 3.5 years of the second best lefty in baseball and $100 million in surplus value, the idea of "realistic" is quite literally once in a lifetime when it comes to getting Chris Sale. The return should be ridiculous. I have no doubt that if we move them, we will get a deal on par with the the most talent ever given up (pre us knowing outcomes). But your hypotheticals of 6 for 1 deals with 2 top ten prospects in baseball and 3 other top 100 are obviously really good for sox. But that Benintendi, devers and others could still come back in a deal and others say "wow, red sox payed a steep price but it's worth it.".

I remember when we started the season pre-Rollins we asked what would be a good Saladino year and it was a .640 OPS with a great glove. He's had a .700 OPS, timely hitting, and probably lesser glove at short than we expected but still good. He's been one of the few players to overperform. I am optimistic for a player like Tilson because Saladino got the same types of reviews when he came up. No one said he was super talented, just words like "gamer" "plays game right" were brought up. Boy were they right.

in that interview Trump also addresses his team weakening the Ukraine language, saying he did not know why they did it and he would look into it. A reminder where Manafort came from.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:33 AM) But you can bet your ass that if the package ends up mediocre because the Sox didn't exercise enough patience, those fans will be throwing a fit about wasting their best asset. The hypothetical trades you've thrown out there as mediocre I find pretty good. True that if any team I want a top prospect. But I don't think the "let's have your own farm" is realistic for any one player.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) It would be pretty much an unprecedented trade. Teams trade their ace once in a while. But none that are pitching on a team friendly contract that has 3 more seasons to go. I really wonder if anyone knows how to price it, and the problem is he is still one guy who plays once every 5 days. Do you decimate your system on one guy who still can get hurt etc. or do you move on to a lesser guy with a far lower price tag? I think it's a really complicated thing. For the White Sox, it has to be a no brainer. For the other team, who all would love to have him, can they really justify the cost? This is something I've been trying to figure out personally. How do you account for the risk the other team faces by each additional prospect and quality of prospect, as you trade for a single player. I still think we are in favorable conditions, as there are 4-5 teams with mature rosters that have young position players, with more young help on the way. They can do as the Dodgers have done and keep relying on youngsters to perform right away, or you finally say, we are close and get those last pieces. Unfortunately for sox 2 of those teams (Cleveland/Cubs) were not partners you would do business with.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:28 AM) If someone claimed Shields off waivers, the Sox wouldn't owe him a dime and still would have about $27 million coming into their bank account from SD. They would take that in a heartbeat. Any trade would require the SD money to move along with Shields. Ha, that's amazing. I didn't know that.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 01:11 AM) I went to camp today. Kevin White is a freakshow. Looks as advertised. Tweets from camp in my twitter timeline: @JamesFox917 if interested. I forgot to look that up, any tidbits from camp yesterday? Hot has hell?

The transcripts of that whole interview are ridiculous. GS: You said you played golf with Bloomberg DT: I never did. I don't think I did. GS: You said you did in ... DT: I hit the ball way farther than him. I hit it much farther. (paraphrased)

Levine really has his finger on the pulse of baseball so I'd listen to him

More comments that would seem to come from a brilliant brilliant man https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/759830338004717568

I have come around to wanting to stand pat. Whereas I thought even a poor front office could get a great return for Sale or Q, I found out that was false. I would prefer we try this with a new group leading it. Zero confidence vote.

More examples of how brilliant and capable Trump is: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/...743648573435905

The words of a non stupid man http://twitter.com/elliosch/status/7597370...0379776/photo/1

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 08:23 AM) Ok, so come up with a realistic trade that will provide the SOX with fair value, and has a chance to happen. I've asked several posters to do so, and we haven't seen it happen. Now, I would be perfectly happy with trading Sale and Q and ANY player in the roster, IF (and ONLY if) full & fair value can be attained. That said, a trade of Sale won't happen at this deadline because Sale should cost WAY too much in trade, & to acquire Sale would gut their org. Value is decided on the market, not in a vacuum.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 01:11 AM) I went to camp today. Kevin White is a freakshow. Looks as advertised. Tweets from camp in my twitter timeline: @JamesFox917 if interested. Awesome have fun.

I like Yankees deal for Miller better than Lucroy.

I don't use WSDave for analysis often. But yeah, the Yankees just rebuilt their farm system with trading two relievers.

She also literally could not stop a man from donating to a PAC supporting her. That is why a constitutional amendment is required. Remember when Trump was self funding his campaign but it turns out he is too poor to?

And this is why even had the sox season gone a little better we were still forcing issue. We had no farm to compete for deals like Indians did.

"Hillary Clinton accepts" Not sure you understand how things work. Good for Soros trying to stop this dangerous, stupid man from becoming president.