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BUT HOW IS RIZZO DOING?

I find it annoying Abreu needs to be held up next to Rizzo for zero reason other than Chicago media sucks.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:13 PM) Absolutely. As I've said before I still don't really no where I stand on McDermott as an NBA player. I think he's going to have a hard time getting jump shots off but he also can post people up and he's just one of the smarter scorers I've ever seen. I just don't think he's going to be the Dunleavy or Korver type of player that some people are pigeonholing him to be. I actually think very highly of him. If I remember MDJ's early career, he struggled getting shots off as well. But considering the finals we just saw, at the least you'll have a 6'8 guy with a 37" vertical who can drain it from 3 point land. He could be much better than that, but college post games sometimes take a while to develop against the much stronger post players in the NBA.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:22 PM) Here's what I'll say about Embiid - I think there's a disturbingly high bust potential, but I'd still endorse the Bulls giving their left nut to draft him Agreed, if this sacramento #8 trade happens and he's there, you take him. but I'm guessing sac trades soon to another team that actually completes the deals they are rumored in.

Hilarious that people lump together white players like that. I wanted McDermott because I think he could very much be Kyle Korver. Though Korver's shot block levels are better than anything McDermott could hope for.

Look at the East this year. For the bulls to have been Celts level, Noah would have had to be injured or terrible. DJ Augustin - Butler - MDJ - Boozer - Gibson That was the only way to 25 wins or less.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 07:43 PM) Ric Bucher has reported that the Rose camp has reached out to Melo to let him know they want him in Chicago! 1 ss2k5 Rose meme down, 1 to go.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 07:39 PM) I'm saying as a talent. I'm talking season as a whole and he was playing really good for UCLA down the stretch in PAC 10 play. Wasn't focused as much on scoring as just overall game. He's raw with serious upside. He'd be the type of guy you stash and develop through practice but his defensive upside is the reason you can probably eventually get Thibbs to buy into him. More then anything right now we need shooting and Lavine doesn't address that right now so for the Bulls they probably don't take him, but I think he has as much, if not more, pure upside then anyone else at those spots in the draft. Gotcha. I watched UCLA/Mizzou where he had a great game, so I definitely saw the tools. It just scares me how raw he was, he needs to play live basketball. BTW The Bulls really need to buy a D league team and use it effectively.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 08:36 PM) Lavine at 16 or 19 would be a huge coup. Guy at a minimum will be an elite defender at his position and has a lot of ultimate upside. We aren't talking about a top 5 pick here. And having watched UCLA, he continued to get better and better. Lots of upside for a guy slated to go somewhere in the teens. He continued to get better and better? Didn't he score like 6 points total in his last 5 games? He wouldn't get off Thibs bench for 3 years.

Also, just an aside, but I can't believe the Lavine love. That kid is so raw, he reminds me of Tyrus Thomas hype except the NBA has gotten smarter.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 07:11 PM) If we were coming off a 35 win season, with a #10 pick, we would be worse off. I'd rather the shot at Melo then the 10th pick. Screw that. Nothing franchise changing about a 10th pick (at least not in the near term). Could it hit, sure, but we have 16 and 19 in a deep and young draft. Give me a Euro player + Levine or another youngster with some upside (or grab a shooter) and I'm content. Look at the Lakers. That's what we'd be. A team with an expensive oft-injured "star", an aging and broken Gasol (Noah if we had tanked), and a whole lotta garbage around em. But hey! The #7 pick! So excited are they they are trying to turn that into Klay Thompson.

Meh, that seems unlikely. If Melo chooses Houston then that forces NYK hand. If I was Houston I'd try to get a 3 way send trash to NYK and get better assets (draft picks, etc) for Harden.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 04:53 PM) Zach Lowe also pointed out that he's refusing to re-sign with anyone, so he's basically an expiring contract, hence the deal that was made. Right, this is why I didn't believe DBAHO that he had value. When you are basically committing to FA and have 1 year left, you aren't netting a big haul.

Why exactly is Melo a major upgrade over Harden? To me that's basically creating the same team. Except somehow worse at defense without Asik.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 06:06 PM) Hence why Noah and Thibs are f***ing morons for not wanting to tank this year. It would have been a perfect opportunity to get a good lottery piece going forward. Instead we can all brag about coming in 2nd in the division and bowing out in the 1st round. The bulls tanking would have meant that their team is not nearly as close as we think it is (i.e. one major player), and that our assets would have been much less attractive.

I find that reasoning about Adams to be specious.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 01:03 PM) Has howard really regressed that much? Yes. They were one of the worst defensive teams with talent that I saw last year.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 05:49 AM) Why the f*** would you trade a first round draft pick for Omer Asik? Good god is that stupid. NBA GMs never fail to baffle me Eh, let's see what protections are on it.

So if bulls sign melo there is like no chance mirotic can be signed. Really the only way I see him hers is if bulls strike out on all options. Edit: guys money is a real thing. Aflallo makes 6 mill, that means Gibson is gone and butler if you have Mel.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 04:18 PM) I don't think Bosh opts out. I'm inclined to think that his value has declined significantly due to his reduced role on the Heat. Is he going to get over $20 million a year in FA? That would surprise me at this point. Right, and wade even more so. That's why I'm surprised. I thought they'd all opt in for one more year before this.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 03:12 PM) Quietly I keep thinking the Bulls are much more in on Love then anyone expects. If you get Love then you still have ability to do some finagling if another superstar wants to join (as long as if you can get Love without giving up all of your tradeable assets). People will say, what about cap space, but in this era, if you have 2 guys that want to come, you can find ways to move contracts, imo / ultimately get the other team to agree to some form of sign and trade. I agree. At worst you have two 25 year old stars to build around.

Just realizing how bad the east will be if lebron leaves. If rose stays healthy that's like auto finals appearance.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 02:50 PM) They did everything right in 2010 too but missed out and got blamed for it. This is why many bulls fans would prefer the team stop trying and planning for fa perios four years apart for free agency periods and trade. Love should be priority number one. With Thompson not being included, getting Afflalo to package with taj is a good deal. Even if he's not traded this summer, they need to keep at it until the point where Love says there is no way he's signing this season.

Yesterday I was driving and listening to all the rumors, this time, I actually think the Bulls management is doing all possible to get one of the big acquisitions this year. My favorite non superstar offseason would be somehow getting Aflallo AND still getting number 8 from sac. Aflallo /McDermott, mirotic and keeping MDJ is actually a lot more shooting to the team.

I am shocked by that. Man things get a bit more fun though don't they?