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I mean also that is just a sweet job, and when the Cardinals have moved on it's hard to point to where they've been wrong. Matheny was fired, he gets gobbled up by the Royals and ...yeah he was terrible. They were right. Schildt comes in, has the same success everyone has in STL, but they relied on the wild card last year. This year they slayed the central and didn't need to win a miracle number of games straight to do it. Hard to say they were wrong. It's not impressive to win in STL.

This is where I agree. We all know the sox aren't going to hire the best guy for the job. But at least getz will remove some of Hahn's obfuscation on whether the team would be performing better if it followed more of his offices edicts. That's helpful! I think hahn is absolute trash as a GM, but many are convinced TLR caused many of the teams faults last year and was at odds with Hahn. Well, Getz would remove that obstacle and align more of the player dev instructs to the major league level, and has a better rapport with Hahn. If they succeed, Hahn can say I told you so. If they fail, there is one less mirror he can use. I guess what I'm saying is we're already dying and this may get us to peace faster.

At least my long shot of tampa falling off a cliff and them deciding to blow it up and rebuild by trading Mike Evans is still somewhat alive.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Willie Harris. He's put in his dues managing, a couple of orgs thought highly of him now. Relative to their timidity to hiring outside voices, he's an outsider.

I knew he was in the org, I had no idea that he was the assistant director of PD. Good lord.

So I think...I think what I'm reading is ...there is one category of superior good results who have emigrated. They are juveniles. They have done it lately.

See this to me is the optimistic take. How could JR/Hahn/KW not look at where they are ending up and not at least have that inkling that they are truly at end times here.

This is a good line and I support it, but personally I fault him the least for that. Like I would still fire him, but I might still let him work for a few weeks on salary while he updates his resume.

I do think it's possible Getz succeeds. When viewed from a league perspective, White Sox Player Development has only been able to keep up to the mid to bottom half distribution of teams. But on the other hand, this has been a time of revolution in the application and technology of player development. Viewed within the isolation of a white sox front office employee, it probably seems like Getz is like Thomas Edison. Completely bewildering, but he also still likes him. That's great! I could see it working. Getz does seem competent. I think it would be hard to install any one amazing person below hahn and expect a league leading result. Like say you bring in some guy from tampa to run PD, they are going to run into the fact that our scouting heads are completely autonomous and won't take any guidance on building a cohesive machine. Everyone runs their kingdom, and everyone keeps their jobs by not trying to take over anyone elses kingdom. But, Getz may be able to align Major League philosophies with some of the success of, say, an Andy Barkett. We really did see some progress. If you are Hahn, an incompetent but sadly not stupid man, you know this team is going to rely a lot on younger talent because you've spent all your money on bullpen men with great leadership qualities. You want a manager from a top org where they are used to alignment between front office teaching and major league teaching. But that will be seen as a power play internally. So Getz does get you a similar dynamic. If we are ranking who from the org could be the best hire, I'd still put Thome 1, getz would be 2, and jirschele 3. Jirschele may actually be 2. He really always had the most competent farm teams despite sometimes atrocious rosters. Birmingham to start the year looked worse than charlotte, and yet.

Yes. Though without having pulled in a successful Thibs tenure. In some ways Getz would be the best hire here. In the arc of all this, it would be hard to see it as anything but the end. Getz can get to unanimous support because there will be high suspicions of any outsider coming in and perhaps being honest that some of their ways need changing. That's scary, especially if they say so publicly. Getz would know the game. But it's also at this point so pure of a JR operation there is no possible scapegoating when it fails. Sure, they will all try to blame the labor, but it could all end up so embarrassing even Bob Nightengale may start indicating the white sox aren't doing fabulous. That sounds a lot like Boylen, who clearly was lockstep with Paxson and Forman. Paxson deked like he may be able to sacrifice Forman as the goat, and that may well happen to Hahn, but just as likely is they all get tired of being pathetic and just want to retire as a rich person that gets to float around baseball. It does sound better.

I do think somehow, even at current levels, it is underrated how bad Hahn is here at soxtalk.

The nfl has just been crazy to me this year. I’ve been wrong about so many teams so far. Seahawks/Falcons way better than I thought, Saints/Raiders/Broncos/Chargers worse or much worse than I thought. And then the “haha look how stupid they are” sentiments of nfl media like the pats offense are already at least more muted. That said if you just stuck with the classics like “belicheck always figured it out” “Reid will figure it out” “Howie roseman is always right” you’d not be bothered by any of this.

Arte Moreno probably crying in the corner reading this lol

Amazing

I’m still pro thome just FTR

Ozzie is being interviewed because they read the board and Greg is deeply influential in that front office.

They definitely didn’t try very hard (cubs are holding it at the Sheraton), but when you skip 3 years and recently changed your relationship (they moved to McCormick in 2020 which was pretty terrible) I can see them getting bumped in preference and throwing up their hands if they couldn’t get their previous Hilton or McCormick places. I think part of McCormick was expecting bigger crowds too so they may have ruled it out anyway. Regardless, ask any STH if they felt the Sox were treating them as important and special this year. this just carries forward the trend of this franchises descent into the fetal position.

There are only a handful of places within the city that would be a fit for Sox fest so yes changes in demand can affect it. They aren’t competing with hotel ballroom space.

I’m gonna guess there is a backlog of conferences finally booking and Sox were cheap and didn’t care that much anyway. But boy, what a bunch of cowards. Would have loved Hahn to pull out his “some thought I should have been executive of the year!” Line

I would think that’s a blessing. Try out the whole outside influence thing, then promptly replace him with DBo as manager.

Then sign him to a contract and not some day to day thing

My hunch: Hahn reads the message boards and sees the fans like Espada so he starts his rumor leaking to give him cover that whatever terrible manager they choose, people will think Hahn was handcuffed and wanted Espada. Its literally the only thing Hahn is good at.

The white Sox were 15th in IL days used by pitchers, so again hard to claim much of a problem there. They were also much closer to the team with the fewest days lost than to the most. Most of the playoff teams were ahead of them, and honestly if the Sox had more depth they could have used more. But regardless hard to see Injuries as something held against him, every team has injuries to pitchers. But sure, it’s a sign he sucks that he still got better production out of shitty bargain bin pitcher Vince Velazquez as a starter than his previous year, and matched the year before it. Or, it could be the case that the Sox were only 10th in pitching WAR despite heavy investment because Rick Hahn spent a lot of money on the worst Fa profile of veteran middle relief pitcher because Rick Hahn had no options even remotely passable. Why isn’t Katz please being a good pitching coach and showing these boys how to pitch Great team to pull from: “The Charlotte Knights finished 58-92, dead-last across the board: division, International League, all of Triple-A. They finished 28 games out of first place for the full season, with a run differential of an astounding -224. Charlotte finished 30th of 30 teams in Triple-A.” https://www.southsidesox.com/platform/amp/2022/10/12/23400247/charlotte-knights-2022-final-stats

Not enough context in here. Did Katz fail Keuchel? Well we got to see him go to his former coach afterward and was even worse then DFAd, then to Texas which has revived older pitchers of late and was even worse and promptly DFAd. The other half of this is the atrocious depth facing any injuries to the bullpen or rotation. The remaining 40 man pitchers were routinely over 8 ERA in Charlotte. When Crochet and Bummer go down, when starters miss a start, they were grabbing from pitchers that couldn’t make other teams minor league rosters. Despite that he got a 3 ERA out of a pitcher with a 9 ERA in Lambert and got strong production out of a pitcher jumping from AA in Martin. Vince Velazquez had his best year in 4 years. The Sox had a number of pitchers that were negative performing in Bennett Sousa, Keuchel, Ryan Burr, Jose Ruiz and Jake Diekman, whom they still all needed 145 innings from all that. That’s a lot of bad talent failing to not be bad for all the budget it took up. Thats where “10th in WAR despite first in spend” ends up

Gonna guess Giants.