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QUOTE (docsox24 @ Apr 15, 2010 -> 06:22 PM) Aug 3, 2001 against tampa. I certainly don't remember the game. you know...i actually watched that game. That was a disaster year and mark buerhle was the only thing to root for then.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Apr 15, 2010 -> 07:14 AM) Well, that's 2 hits over 9 innings of work, that's rather rare and hard to do. He has 12 starts of 7+ innings and 2 or fewer hits over his career. 10 of 8+ innings. this would be the explanation.

extending him after 2 good games is really shortsighted.

to be quite honest, i'm a bit surprised he's had just 1 one hitter and 2 two hitters. It doesn't seem like those have been rare.

ahh, the picking and choosing of non-things that people are complaining about as illegitimate.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 15, 2010 -> 04:35 AM) Yesterday's disastrous 1 hit loss was only 27 pages. Today's was 23 pages, more than likely because the game was on WCIU which a great portion of this board does not get. Winning gamethreads don't really show much of a difference in number of posts when compared to losing ones. in addition to the fact that thursday nights people are more of a going out night. I watched it a bar. It was glorious. Even Donny Lucy got a double. I wasn't so worried about last night, he seemed on. But, clearly, getting men on base=good. I want to ride Andruw Jones hot streak. But so far so good. Let's continue it tomorrow.

Guerrier had an alright career, I don't know how he's doing now.

and what will kotsay do?

which is why the new bank bill should create a system to deal with the failure of a tbtf bank much like we are capable of with smaller ones like FDIC

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 04:55 PM) The problem I have wiht that type of journalism is...there's always motivation behind gossip. It's never unvarnished truth...it's the opinion of one side, and it's usually the angrier side who gets all the attention. Well that's why game change isn't a good book, but I'm telling you why it was written. edit: and that stuff about the fights...there's no journalism article you can write about like that that wouldn't just be seen as a hit job.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 04:14 PM) They've built quite a few beautiful houses south of the park and directly west. The funny part is that most of the northside idiots who talk s*** about the area around the Cell wouldnt be able to afford even 10% of one of those houses. I do wish there were more restaurants and nice taverns closer to the park down 35th st. Considering the hell that the new Jimbos (what's it gonna be called) is going through I'm guessing a lot of blame also falls on the city of chicago for their absurdly difficult zoning and regulations.

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 04:38 AM) You have a point. I will occasionally drive to the Cell if I am short on time and know that I will easily be able to get parking at a relatively decent rate. Off topic, is that Gregory Peck from Guns of Navarrone in your avatar? It looks like it but I think I might be mistaken. Woody Guthrie

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 05:29 AM) Out of curiosity, are you of the opinion that had they built the park in the middle of Bridgeport, the lack of parking available would have discouraged people from driving to the ballpark? I am not so sure I agree that is how it would have played out. I think those surface lots would still be used with some type of shuttle service to the park. I like public transportation for getting to the game and will do anything possible to avoid getting in my car and paying for parking. However, they are a lot of folks in the other camp who would rather b**** about parking prices and traffic than exploring the alternatives. Yes. I'm not saying it would eliminate, but i certainly think the parking situation in Wrigley is a huge deterrence to driving there. And hey, it gives the residents some extra income to sell their parking spots. It's so easy to drive to sox park. I'd bet a good 60% drive there. I'd bet it's quite lower for cubs games

Right, it just pisses me off that the way they built it...it was just like, we're putting it in an island, no need to wander around it's not worth it.

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 04:59 AM) The Sox get good revenue for the lots during the season, but for the right price, I am confident some type of deal could be worked for future development. The fact is the returns on an investment are not high enough yet to merit building a mixed use structure incorporating first floor retail with a multi-level parking garage above and maybe some residential units above the parking component. First point, the sox didn't pay for the stadium, so a stadium design that would've fostered quite a bit more commercial activity is far more beneficial to me than allowing people to drive to the games and pollute and add traffic at an already awful time. BUt to your second point, you are correct. However, had it happened 20 years ago we'd have had that much more progress. Look at Wicker park 20 years ago to now. Look at South Loop. It was so god damn boring and stupid. But, there is clearly overregulation right now that could really help create something by the sox stadium. Look at the restrictions the new jimbos is working around (liquor license freeze).

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 03:06 AM) It would help Greece a lot if they could devalue their currency. That would only be a band-aid fix though, they basically have to take a sledgehammer to their government and start over. defaulting tends to do that. However...argentina is the key example here. The IMF let them float along for a while and finally they defaulted. They went through hell, but they did recover rather quickly. If Greece defaults while being under the Euro...damn, their people are f***ed.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 01:50 AM) It's not that easy for Greece (or any European country for that matter) to leave the EU. Eurozone /= EU. I think they will allow Greece to leave it, but not Spain or Portugal even though being allowed to devalue their currency would help them a lot.

Really? I was wow'd, the entire time I was wondering how the f*** this alternative universe mattered at all. In 2 episodes they integrated it, and now we see that it mattered, that those connected can possibly change either universe.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 12:12 AM) Sure, that's the part I agree with. I just didn't understand your reference to some sort of lack of mass transit, which didn't make sense. You'd have to follow every post i made, I stated that we already had the infrastructure for public transit, which is why needing acres of parking spots to bring congestion to the city isn't a great decision.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 12:04 AM) Are you referring to Wrigley or the Cell? Because The Cell actually did this 100% right. Its right next to one El stop, 3 blocks from another, and squeezed between two Metra-used rail lines where we are now going to get a Metra stop. I'm not sure another ballpark in the country has this as good as we do. I do agree with the overall point though about eschewing a neighborhood type design being stupid. There were alternate plans out there to really develop the neighborhood along with the park, but they were rejected for cost. hence the "that we already have infrastructure" part of it. All that parking lot space is a waste, all of that could be developments.

QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Apr 13, 2010 -> 10:30 PM) It's a really easy read, but I'll go along with what everyone else said. How did they get inside knowledge of all of these private conversations? Let me give you my impression from being in journalism. There is a LOT that we know, that we can't report. This was a book basically about all that. I'm sure this was all the gossip going on at the time that they knew was happening but you can't report this stuff in the paper. and frankly, when thinking about that, it makes that NY Times article understandable, not right, of course, but i think you saw some reporters trying to show what they knew, but couldn't go on the record reporting.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 13, 2010 -> 11:30 PM) I second this I wasn't in the game thread last night, but I think people are being misunderstood. Obviously we don't know the whole picture, but I don't think the questions over whether he's hurt or something is wrong is misplaced. Lower velocity and lack of control are usually a sign of that. Jake isn't just missing right now, he's missing by a lot. He misses huge at least once every at bat.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 13, 2010 -> 11:48 PM) I'm not sure what you guys are referring to when you talk about the neighborhood integration of Camden Yards. Yeah it looks like that on TV, but the park is right in the middle of downtown Baltimore. Those buildings you see on Eutaw St., if I recall, those are actually stadium property and they're right there on the concourse, mostly for show. The gap you see in center field, if you look with the right view up high enough, you can see traffic on Camden Street, and then the next street is Pratt Street which is one of the main downtown streets. So there is nothing neighborhood/residential at all with that stadium, it looks nice, but that is all decoration. Yes there is public transportation that goes right there, but there is a big parking lot to the south between Camden Yards and M&T Bank stadium just like there is at the Cell, and to the west of it is expressway that becomes downtown streets. For Camden i was actually referring to how the stadium ITSELF looked and how the sox built, like, the very last stadium before the "new" ballparks that Camden ushered in (Jacobs Field, etc.). Now, of course, our park looks beautiful. The roof improvement and centerfield absolutely made our park gorgeous. No complaints now. I was more referring to that early in the process, the sox were planning on integrating the park in the bridgeport neighborhood, then were going to move to schaumberg i believe. Then they decided to move the schaumberg design IN chicago. It was really dumb.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 13, 2010 -> 11:17 PM) A restaurant in Bronzeville? What do you mean? You mean from my current job? From your job, yeah. Southsidedon...if you didn't have the choice to drive, you wouldn't. As for the other stuff you said, i'd rather the sox have created a situation where lots of bars and restaurants and housing opened up around it creating jobs and community surrounding the team, rather then a bunch of decay. I don't want to give the impression that there hasn't been development around, but nowhere near what was possible. Huge opportunity missed.

a restaurant, lost? Pretty big jump over