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QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 08:09 PM) Cool! Let's kick Flaxx ass!!! chaaaarrggeee

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 07:42 PM) I was defending him. i was adding on to your defense...

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 07:51 PM) I said nothing about the lyrics. I know there are not too many original ideas in music anymore, but it is a different story when you are using blatant riffs, and signature riffs from songs. I've written many a song in my day, and I have thrown out many a song when I realized it was a little too close to another song. The problem is that there are so many riffs on that thing that you can't get away from being from other bands and songs. Too lift a riff from somebody who is REALLY obscure, and to do it from one of their obscure songs is one thing. But to lift from something like Cheap Trick is pretty sad. They were known for their friggin' riffs. And when you are basing your album on a serious political hotbed and making an album that is meant to be an artistic statement, "paying tribute" to your influences in using their riffs suddenly becomes a very poor choice. It demeens you original intent in artistic creativity, and it takes away from your seriousness when your audience is suddenly going "HEY! That's from the song "She's Tight" by Cheap Trick"!!! Though I guess there is some wacky intellectual innuendo there with singing about Bush and using "She's Tight". And punk has been spilling out of the "rich suburbs" since atleast 1984, as that is when I first shaved half my hair off my head. It isn't a new thing to be in the 'burbs, and if you think it has always been exclusive to the cities, even in it's inception, well, you are wrong. Kids have had angst since the day Adam turned 13. i just think y ou have to expect that in a genre that bases itself in three chords...its why brian eno didn't play punk...(thank god)...Creativity in punk comes in other forms like structure and style...i'm not a fan of punk really but Art Brut are an incredibly witty and clever punk band from england that are just awesome....they aren't like hardcore punk...they are...its hard to explain...great band though everyone should check em out

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 02:00 PM) Dylan's been straight-up honest for 40 years now. If he is now deciding to to do a little bit of "selling out", then more power to him. He's already proven himself and his worth, and he might see this a bit of a "fun" thing to do. Heck, he might just LOVE Starbucks coffee and thought it would be cool to do something with them. Is it really selling out if you are doing something in conjunction with something you love? at least he's still writing his own songs ...(ahem...aerosmith)

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 04:49 PM) As long as they are copping everybody elses riff's not using one single idea of their own. The new album is a "who's who" of guitar riffs and hooks. I was shocked at how many riffs were "borrowed" on it. BUt as long as you attack the American government, people will claim you great no matter how many songs you steal. jeeze gimme a break man...while i don't really consider green day punk...(pop punk now), punk music has had ridiculously political lyrics and is based off of three freakin chords...i think complaining about it is ridiculous...thats always been the music...punk grew out form the gutters, the problem now is its growing out of rich suburbs...and it really ruins the sound... but i laugh at people getting mad at a punk band with radical politics...its pretty much the backbone of the genre.

i don't really have an ear for rap but i got an advance of the kanye for other people and they were pretty polarized by it...i didn't quite have an opinion, it seemed rather enjoyable... the only hip hop i really listen to is saul williams and the roots

QUOTE(Pauly8509CWS @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 11:27 PM) maybe to pay respect to Rick James who died the day before? and you do know that John Alagia produced Remember Two Things and not Lillywhite like you had previously suggested. I really dont understand the hatred for Phish, DMB, Grateful Dead, and such on this board. Even Coldplay gets a bad rap over at Soxtalk, apparently the majority here are into punk, metal, or hard rock. hmm...yes...lets pay respects to a cokehead who kidnapped a minor for thirty days! And a lot of people hate phish, dmb, and coldplay, because they play boring trodding music...for the first two its just boring jamming that anyone with four years experience on guitar could do and they always play too many notes. Their music isn't good. With coldplay its that they stole someone elses sound and refuse to grow from album to album for fear of losing popularity and he also stole how bono sings on stage...chris martin is such a b****... and i said "even remember two things" ... it was reluctant because it was alright but nowwhere near under the table and dreaming. It was still better than his later stuff... its funny that you take more offense to someone bringing valid points to why dave sucks than people just saying dave sucks...

QUOTE(Pauly8509CWS @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 11:14 PM) I'm entering this thread after seeing him 5 times... and hopefully red rocks in a few weeks if my aunt can come up with tickets. First, bmags, saying he owes lillywhite his life is outrageous. He wrote and performed ALL of the songs on UTTAD and R2T BEFORE being signed. And some of the Crash and Before these Crowded Streets songs. Also, Everyday was their worst album. No disagreement. Stand Up isnt as good, but live the songs take on a new life. However, Busted Stuff was good. Steve Harris did a nice job with producing what Lillywhite couldnt finish. here, however you lose credibility. As a grown up, you would probably know that it is an album tour, so the setlists have mostly songs from the new album and are of course going to be similar. But calling the band lazy, hell, I bet you werent aware that last weekend at the Gorge they covered the great Beatles tune "Blackbird." Or at Alpine Valley when they busted out So Much to Say>Anyone Seen the Bridge Jam>Superfreak (yes the rick james song)>Too Much without stopping a beat. Maybe you werent aware that during Jimi Thing at Alpine this year he covered Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth." Nope, the Dave Matthews Band is lazy.... I for one blame the new album on Mark Batson, who they will be recording with again this January, and hopefully he will be a little more hands off. rant over everything i said was fact was sneering at the fact that he was calling my post condescending because it didn't agree with his views and its a way to make someone back off when they shouldn't have to... And how long have you been a dave matthews band fan? Because in 1998-1999 when i was really in my phase, every setlist, EVERY night was absolutely ridiculously eclectic and really different, thats why people traded shows religiously back then...(i don't care if dave matthews created those songs before steve lillywhite, the fact is he couldn't make a good studio album with out him and the difference between a bad album and a good album can be made by a producer (ala every weezer producer POST WEEZER)), and since i'd say 02, his setlists have not been varied much at all... And yes i'm familiar with dave matthews and phish covering bands that can create original music, frankly i think he relies on those cover songs during his shows to pick up the energy where his music can't, as was the case with when he brought out super freak in my opinion...

QUOTE(hi8is @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 10:48 PM) if garbage fills a part of a preformers soul, then play garbage. when im jamin on guitar and singin along, it might sound like crap to someone, but it fufills something inside of myself. so to whoever dosent like it, cool, go listen to something else... just dont ruin it for me. 80,000 people over the weekend in carson CA would probably want to drown you in hemp oil for some of the stuff your sayin hah keep on listening to whatever you like. voice your opion if you like. just never think your better then anyone else, thats how your posts come of... really condasending and authoritive. might make some people say something stupid like, shut the f*** up asshole and that isnt nice. everything i said was fact...jeeze, like i said don't start a music thread if you don't expect a backlash, and frankly i don't much care for the opinions of 50000 so called hippies that are actually frat boys and high school girls who dress up for a weekend and get in tune with nature...thats a major demographic by no means am i generalizing The fact is that it is frustrating to see people who are actually pushing music forward with progressive ideas and fresh sounds that fail to get recognized until a band simplifies the sound (prolly british) and then talks about them as an influence for them to get noticed...while this band honestly got progressively worse, and their notoriety and somehow acclaim went up exponentially, and i can think of no other reason than the influence of the record companies. So excuse me if you just wanted a love fest... i thought an official thread should have a variety of opinions and the dissenting one is that dave matthews makes really bad albums post steve lillywhite hence dave matthews owes lillywhite his life for whatever creative juices he gave him...When he was making the lillywhite sessions he should have done a wilco on his record company and refused to change it...had that happened, who knows i could have still been a dave matthews fan...but not bloody likely

i dont' know of a band nominated on that show that i like...(unless white stripes were on?)

grown up didn't mean maturity...you can't tell me that you didn't have gigantic music phases from age 10-19...once i heard more music, and saw how awesome other stuff was being made you lose the sentimental love affair for a band and as they continue to make garbage albums and your brother makes you listen to a recent live show you begin to really hate them. IMO, they haven't made quality music be it live or studio produced since lillywhite left...kinda like with U2, its like they believe bigger = better...and it becomes sappy and shaves anything interesting from the music... under the table and dreaming was a very good album, even remember two things...but he should apologize to the world for the garbage that he pushed off as music.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 10:19 PM) It impresses me that they still make good, relevant music. I didn't think they'd last. i agree, that 'shoe gaze' genre as has been called upon by others to me so i'll adopt it...seems so restrictive...yet i usually love every album and they all doo sound different...reminds me of pavement...they sound like the same band...same genre of music...but its definately different, in terms of confidence or meddling or producing...each album is its own gem...and odditorium or the warlords of mars i believe its called is an excellent album. and if nobody minds me venting on pitchfork, they have helped me find a lot of bands and quite a bit of garbage, but why they hype pop rap sooo much is beyond me...i think music critics get frustrated in their lack of voice if they are not reporting on the culture as much as the music...i see greg kot and jim devrounses seem to get frustrated and i think pitchfork overcompensates by saying, LOOK, we like hip hop! when acts like the roots and saul williams, dizzee rascal, and common are more accepted by the indie scene, they hype kanye west, jay - z, and others...i just find it odd and stupid. There is nooo f'n way that kanyes latest album is a 9.5...and better or more influential than sufjan stevens album...or s***, sooo many albums were better...kanye recycled raps and his beats were glossed over...

making a thread like this you should expect a backlash... this last cd was the biggest piece of adult contemporary garbage i've ever heard...they make coldplay sound good...and you think somebodys vocabulary would grow...his songs all have the exact same words...its like he just puts the same 15 words in a hat and jumbles em up and writes em down ending in baby ... then they JAM oh, wow, phenominal...i won't deny some of the members talent, mainly the drummers...but i have to say some of the jams(and i am very familiar with dave matthews, dare i say i used to be a fan, but i grew up) are the most generic, predictable pieces ever played... whats worse is he is getting lazy, not just with his albums but with his setlists...he's playing the same shows over again...

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 04:28 PM) It might be a little bad the first couple of weeks but as these guys play together more then line should improve each week. The good thing is the first week we play a not so good Redskins team who lost an important CB and DT to their defense and lost both their starting WR's. i think we really can win the season opener...i cry when i think i might not be able to watch most of this season and i'm gonna miss this ridiculously good defense we have (i'm at school in mizzou right now)

you have to somewhat admire their strategy...everyone claimed the wall was a bad idea like a berlin wall....(but it actually seemed to work), its a sick situation but it seems progress to keep themselves safe are actually being made.

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 03:07 AM) I wonder where the outcry was when George Stephawhateverhisnameis called for the assassinaion of the leader of a country? http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/24/122804.shtml Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 12:23 p.m. EDT Stephanopoulos Urged Foreign Assassination Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson prompted a firestorm of media outrage on Tuesday after he suggested that the Bush administration should assassinate a foreign leader who posed a threat to the U.S. - in this case, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. But when senior Clinton advisor George Stephanopoulos publicly argued for the same kind of assassination policy in 1997, the press voiced no objection at all. Fresh from his influential White House post, Stephanopoulos devoted an entire column in Newsweek to the topic of whether the U.S. should take out Saddam Hussein. His headlined? "Why We Should Kill Saddam." "Assassination may be Clinton's best option," the future "This Week" host urged. "If we can kill Saddam, we should." Though Iraq war critics now argue that by 1997, the Iraqi dictator was "in a box" and posed no threat whatsoever to the U.S., Stephanopoulos contended that Saddam deserved swift and lethal justice. "We've exhausted other efforts to stop him, and killing him certainly seems more proportionate to his crimes and discriminate in its effect than massive bombing raids that will inevitably kill innocent civilians," the diminutive former aide contended. Stephanopoulos even offered a way to get around the presidential ban on foreign assassinations: "If Clinton decides we can and should assassinate Saddam, he could call in national-security adviser Sandy Berger and sign a secret National Security Decision Directive authorizing it." The Stephanopoulos plan: "First, we could offer to provide money and materiel to Iraqi exiles willing to lead an effort to overthrow Saddam. . . . The second option is a targeted airstrike against the homes or bunkers where Saddam is most likely to be hiding." The one-time top Clinton aide said that, far from violating international principles, assassinating Saddam would be the moral thing to do, arguing, "What's unlawful - and unpopular with the allies - is not necessarily immoral." Stephanopoulos also noted that killing Saddam could pay big political dividends at home, saying the mission would make Clinton "a huge winner if it succeeded." do you not realize that pat robertson is a member of the christian coalition...i think thats basically why people are calling him out on it...i know thats why i thought it was ridiculous

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 03:27 PM) Are you pumped about "The odditorium...." which is coming out next month? I thought that the Warhols were awesome when they came out, and have gotten progressively better each album. I still havent seen them live, but they seem like they would be really fun. i already have it and its very good, very poppy...down like disco is quite good...awesome shoe-gaze rock... spoon, BRMC, and dandy warhols all put out real nice rock and roll records this year...

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 02:05 PM) If Thomas stays healthy(which is a big IF for any running back, and a little moreso for Jones) I predict a big year from him. He almost made 1000 last year and he missed alot of time. plus he had a paper thin offensive line...(and he didn't miss that much time)

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 12:39 PM) Not sure which band you were referring to. TBJM has had a lot of member changes and taken a few breaks. The Crowes have also had a few member changes and broke up for like 4 years. But they're BACK baby. I'm sure Kid Gleason is ecstatic. i was talkin about the black crowes...

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 03:33 AM) Yeah TBJM is still underground, which is just fine with me. NO, thank God. The Crowes opening for Petty was a joke. No way could I see them as his backing band. yeah, i kinda thought they broke up...i was suprised to see their name...

plus sug knigh didn't rap

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 01:05 AM) About a month ago I went to see Tom Petty and The Black Crowes. Mostly The Black Crowes. Although it was enjoyable, an opening slot is always kinda lame because of the shorter set time and poor sound etc. Well, The Crowes will be back. This time to The Riv...on Halloween night. I got a few tickets and it totally made my weekend! Also gonna see The Brian Jonestown Massacre at the Metro in 2 weeks. ssweet...i loved that doc "dig"...i really didn't listen to them until then, i'd been a dandy warhols fan for a while... i first read that as tom petty with the black crowes as like his new backing band

QUOTE(Texsox @ Aug 27, 2005 -> 12:43 AM) Modest Mouse I'm probably way behind. I know. But better late than never. one can never be too far behind with them...just get moon and antarctica and your hooked, then you'll get lonesome crowded west and be fascinated, then you'll get long drive and be addicted and calm, then youll get building nothing out of something and hardcore, then you'll get good news and be dissappointed. But the back catalogue is sooo good... and if you do like good news, check out wolf parades lp - apologies to the queen mary in september, isaac brock produced it.... BTW, new broken social scene = pretty darn good.

i think he deserved it by playing the best...however, i'd hate to see our defense be wasted for another year because of our offense.

he wasn't actually a rapper...