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https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1197663148100050944

Man this thing will be hard to maintain. I should have planned this better.

Man I missed all this! Hate when sox break news on busy days edit: the day is great but chatting about it is what makes it fun before the fun police come at me

If someone offered me ten million plus if I could wait two more months to move I would.

https://theathletic.com/1393498/2019/11/19/rosenthal-mlbs-sign-stealing-investigation-should-not-stop-at-the-astros/ Ugh, never mind.

Baseball punishments have been very strict, and this is a thing that could piss off other owners who give Manfred his support

Yes let’s help another team get elite talent please

The last cash considerations was good. A lot of how bad boylen has been is unforced error, pax got smitten with someone who is just a salesman for the FO. But it’s hard to believe a Lavine/Lauri led group is going anywhere. They severely lack playmakers, Porter is probably their best and he’s out. They need to make a splash move which means it will just be this for a while.

I’ve always assumed Basabe/Diaz were part of a list Red Sox provided because it just seems like such a weirdly steep drop.

Was skeptical but bat flip convinced me.

Robert obviously needs to prove himself more! Madrigal though is ready.

Correct: likelihood sox do this and sign a great player - very low Odds that if they do trade for betts it signals they are going to be aggressive to re-sign: much higher than if they go into next FA period having not had him.

If our payroll is truly capped at 120 million you guys can do that already.

That sucks. Now let's all dream of our division winning juggernauts with Kole Calhoun in RF and salary space galore to sign up to 3 corey dickersons.

Well he's also going to be 29, not 26 or 27 like when the recent top deals signed. But sure. 10 years 375, 10 years 380... I'd go up and get him signed and then the white sox will have a 4 year window with a very competitive offense and good potential to field a decent pitching staff. And if it fails, well, we trade him along with everyone and RH starts ole rebuild number 3 (which he will say is number 2).

The sox rebuild has a lot of good players, but they still need to be pretty aggressive to put them in that consistent contention range. Prioritizing betts and signing a top pitcher puts them in that window where you can play around the margins of finding 1-year deal churn for DH/C/backend rotation, while having some ammunition for July splash moves for needs. I think all I want people to acknowledge is that there are a lot of risks, and while Betts FA poses a tangible one. But losing time is a risk too. Signing a bunch of B-level players to 3 year deals and losing opportunity for Betts is a risk. Banking on all of our more advanced 5-10 prospects to have value as high as it is now is a risk. This is aggressive, but this is a fantastic player that does not become available often. But I get it, we do have Micker Adolfo.

Are "we"? Yes. You could land in the sweet spot of exceeding harpers total value and beating Trouts AAV. 10 years/360

There is a difference between having a depth issue in case someone gets hurt and having a depth issue and signing an oft-injured player.

We can absorb his entire 2019 salary a lot better than other teams, that's already an advantage.

But if "he's going to walk" then you are saying sox shouldn't sign betts next offseason.

The thing I don't like about it is he is so unreliable health-wise. Anyone can get an injury, but if he does we are back to the adam engel experience. If he was brought in as another option on a minor league deal thats one thing...

Nice, we've overton window'd you to allow cease (which has been my trade piece)

So ... the sox could just sign him after he tests free agency... Also I have no idea why sox fans feel like they need to only discuss what our GM says they will do and not what the team should do. If Hahn said expensive pitchers are risky, should we just all act like signing Wade Miley is the best path forward?

Exactly. I totally get those that say we should just aim to sign him next year, I don't understand those that just accept him as a rental and we should stay away. If sox decided they were not the sox, there is actually a very favorable market to be team to sign betts next year. Yankees unlikely, Dodgers possible (but I think they will go after rendon/pitching making another splash move unlikely), red sox unlikely if he gets to FA, nats unlikely, cubs unlikely, houston unlikely. Rangers, braves, padres are the teams it's possible go for spending at him. Getting this type of premium talent using the savings from cheaper young good players was kinda why I thought we did a rebuild. I think people are too concerned with making sure 2024-2027 keeps the ride going at the cost of the ride never really starting.

Could be, could also be the new Wade Davis.