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Yeah. Read through it. Let John Fox draft.

Ha, yeah that has been funny. Open to interpretation on how excited we'll be with signing Odorizzi.

You uh, said he would thrive. But I suppose that may mean just his personal health and not the results of the team. Also I just pointed out that two teams that spent less than Hahn in a rebuilding year where he wasn't trying to compete made the playoffs. I could have brought up that both teams that won his division sported payrolls less than Hahn has had during his "competing" years. And I'm sure instead of hiring personnel from the teams that can operate well on smaller budgets, one of 29 other teams will approach hahn to hire him, recognizing that he is just one of those execs that can't operate on a smaller budget but will thrive on a bigger one, but still wouldn't be the best GM in baseball. It's a pretty compelling case to hire him.

Alright guys we are at a stalemate here, let's see what a yahoo news article has to say about this

He doesn’t care unless it happens to him. What do you think he’s going to charge the field and tackle them?

While ideally you can fit the perfect puzzle pieces into place, the Sox need offense and a lot of it. $220 million would maybe be spent better if Yelich or Judge were available, but they are not. You sign a castellanos or ozuna you are gonna want to upgrade on them. You don’t have an inkling if that with Rendon. That said, I’d put many pitching targets above him before I’d seriously prioritize this.

You can always make that the long-term plan.

Yeah that's interesting. Would be an actually good defensive infield.

Ha, this would be hilarious "you took a silver slugger third baseman and moved him to second? He doesn't know where the balls gonna go...discombobulated...guy can't play. Hahn sucks!"

I think the good thing about madrigal is he's absolutely a player you could play all over (though sub-optimal production) and just be deep, but also, yes I think trading him is fine.

I get this reaction, but I just don't like the idea that we judge moves as 'bad' just because the sox are unlikely to pursue them. The offseason has a long ways to go, I'll wait until january for realism.

Yeah, I also think the "he can't play second" stuff is overstated. If there's a position I think they can shift around weaknesses, it's 2b.

I would like to state though that despite the many people against rendon because it moves moncada around again...I think getting Rendon would be so clearly a net positive that you go for it. He's so good. I just also get some Adrian Beltre "he'l be good forever" vibes from him.

I honestly have no idea what to make of the Mets. I think one thing to keep in mind is they are competing, so to some extent I 'd expect them to want ML pieces or near-ready ML pieces. I have been reading that among other things they just are stuck with the lack of defensive versatility in CF with their offensive players. We are not a tremendous fit there, they'll want an immediate upgrade and I doubt Adam Engel is their cup 'o tea. If there is a Betts sweepstakes, I expect mets to be in on it.

Or it's just a classic Jim Bowden article.

I do not want to sign Odorizzi with a QO.

Is there really though? We'll have an insurance policy for probably 50%. If he's completely injured you recoup that. He won't be an issue for luxury tax because we won't be near it. And I just don't see him being healthy but completely terrible even in year 5. Pitching isn't nearly as risky in terms of blowing up team building. The worst part about it is not being sure you are going to have it when you need it due to the high amount of injuries and variation in performance.

Epstein had some legitimately advantageous tactics that have been crushed by the latest CBAs. While I would take Friedman over Theo, I don't really hate on GMs that rightly put the pedal to the medal with a team that could win it all. You don't know that you have enough until it's all over, and you don't want to have any what-ifs at that point.

And recall that the astros were one of the highest K teams in 2016 or 2015, whenever their first playoff team was. After 2016 they shed a lot of their worst offenders and brought in more well-rounded bats (though still as quality). Here you saw them ditch jason castro and colby rasmus and replace them with beltran, mccann and reddick. Then brantley comes the next offseason. Vaughn and madrigal's approach will be welcomed, and I feel pretty confident that Jimenez will be eventually much more in line with his AAA balance. But Robert, TA, and Moncada will be high K guys and still be productive. Honestly I owe @caulfield12 as I focus on adding pitching this offseason reddick actually seems like that productive placeholder. I am just terrified he craters or gets injured the first week like our tour of 30+ outfield additions like austin jackson, jay, etc.

Dave Dombrowski's win percentage in the last decade to hahn's is a different stratosphere.

Right, and he's never really worked anywhere else. He had two years of a real job outside of the white sox, and it was on the agent side for only 2 years. This is the family he knows. He can't reach back to a world of knowledge on how things are done.

He has a lot of power, and I don't want to act like I'm poo-poo'ing a 127 wRC+ player, but the sox really need some diversity in their bats. Another high K, low walk guy is not the most ideal fit.

The behavior of JR in the 80s compared to late 90s and beyond is pretty striking. In both of his orgs he eventually seemed to get to the equilibrium of a cohesive frontoffice/ownership relationship with an us against them mentality against often coaches and players, and fans and media.