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If he went on the market at age 25 like Arod did? I can't even imagine.

Yeah easily.

Right, Murray just happens to play the one position that has a better value prop than MLB.

Yes, more control for one. Doesn't think it's 1985 for another.

Completely agree, and that's why I thought Passan's report meant it was close ?

Here's the thing, there was a clear white sox org push yesterday to put out the "the offer is ONLY 7 years". That is the only leak that I would say with certainty came from a specific place and that's the sox. So this dovetails with that report, not passan's. That said, this goes back to I think dealing with language like "offered" and "official offer" and discussed, as I think people are playing around with semantics to the reporters to be cute.

There are organizations that can sit back and let the market dictate and then decide to top it, but I don't think the white sox are one of those organizations. But, I actually don't think they are operating that way.

Ha, missed this. A believable angle.

yankees twitter frothing at the mouth now edit: was mixing several folksy sayings and committed to one.

Scary part definitely is that this market is so limited. Even when harper/machado cleared, I'd say there are maybe 5-7 free agents after that that can comfortably say they are going to get more than a 1 year deal. The rest have to be worried they will get more than a spring training invite.

And that's the joke.

Especially with Reinsdorf involved.

I completely believe that the two sides are actually working out details of a new offer around 8 / 250 but is not formalized yet. But this leak is so weird and I can't really figure out who it benefits.

And obviously people should just trust this organization who have effectively waded in these waters before only to come out victorious. And before anyone asks, no I don't think this is our offer as it stands today, but yes, i find it significant that two writers put out same info. It means something.

and spurred by the actions of its own owner, very very white sox.

Now he has Nightengale confirming.

Yes, that's true. Part of me wonders if this could be from boras, bragging about how much higher his offers from harper are.

There is a difference between guessing where players will go and saying "an offer is out for 175 over 7". The other is specifically coming from somewhere else. I have to believe it's wrong, but this is a national reporter with lots of ability to talk to anyone, so it's not something we can just blow off.

Two tactics: - Boras never putting anything out there that harper will is courting or will sign for anything less than a record breaking 300+ million dollar contract. - Machado apparently saying "actually i'm not that expensive, i can't even break 200 mill!" I don't buy that lozano is an idiot.

For reference, that AAV may very well be what Arenado gets in arbitration or settlement for his age 28 season while under team control. If I'm manny i'm not jumping that anytime soon, to be obvious. Anyway, as I've said, sox shouldn't hold their primary objective as getting manny at the intersection of his market price, they should hold their primary objective of acquiring manny machado long term to be the staple of a rebuild of young players that is hopefully good for many years. And I think ultimately they do and this is "the official offer on the table" even though negotiations have it at a different amount.

Could be! But the guy also shot under 40% FG percentage and was pretty bad from FT too (60%, which is typically a bad sign for 3pt % too which was 32% for him). He was basically colin sexton in 2002 nba (sexton's shooting is across the board better in today's game).

I mean, signing the top SS because your top young players might have a sophomore jinx is pretty ambitious.

I disagree with your assessment. Tyson Chandler, ron artest, jamal crawford, elton brand, eddy curry were actually good draft picks and the bulls at the time were collecting a lot of assets, check out how many 2nd round picks they actually drafted! They fell in love with them, eventually got impatient and traded them for a 6th man. Chandler and Crawford are still in the nba for crying out loud, may be the best overall players from those drafts. Jay williams was whatever. I don't think he would have been good but 1st year point guard is hard. He was small, he wasn't that good at creating a shot, but sure. That run of draft picks from 1999-2002 was actually pretty freakin good.

are we repeating this conversation?

I like Madrigal, but you are removing some other elements of scouting. For one, the sox switched to "advanced"college bats, that in 2016 saw good patient approaches but high k rates. In 2017 they switched it up to both college hitters good patience, power and lower k rates up and the first 15 rounds of that draft. Only 1 high schooler. It certainly seemed like something the sox were lacking. However, these was also a pretty unathletic group. With 2017 especially it had the potential to derail some to lower value positions on defense. And it meant they were relatively maxed out. That's something that we are seeing with our advanced college bats. Exciting first seasons leading to ceilings very quickly as they approach age appropriate levels. The absolute slam dunk time the white sox could have spent on a high school position player was the comp round in 2016, which they took a college reliever. Could the sox have put together more money to get Gavin Lux away from dodgers? I don't know, but there was taylor trammel and bo bichette, joey wentz and jordan sheffield. The sox haul at the time seemed great, collins, burdi and hansen. But the thing you would say was a risk with all of them happened. I'm still bullish on collins as I don't like the soxtalk thing of moving them to a position the moment a negative scouting report on defense comes out. They drafted a college reliever with the first pick. They drafted a catcher very likely to move to 1b, then they drafted a highly volatile arm. 2017 they drafted an overweight 3b. He tore his achilles running. They drafted a 1b who can't hit for power, and paid him overslot! You look at other systems you just see much more variety in the prospects, more from lat am, more high schoolers, players that grow in the system to become top prospects. The sox acquire players at their top value then...see that they were essentially maxed out. They are either not confident in their ability to develop or not confident in their ability to identify talent when it's raw and younger. I hope 2018's draft ends up great. I hope Luis Curbelo becomes a monster. 2018 as a year on the farm was brutal, and the thing that sucks about college draftees is injuries destroy development time. But it could turn the corner! It's just I don't give sox benefit of the doubt that that happens, because it hasn't before. Other orgs that develop talent? Too early to grade but also more prospects that have already vaulted to relevance.