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It is likely he costs significantly more than people anticipate (I don't thinkt hat poster that through out basabe was wrong). The one way to mitigate that could be taking on salary from Rich Hill contract. Pederson is valuable right now, he will cost more than people think, it is a real debate whether that's a good move for sox. I think there is rightful worry that our talent acquisition hit its peak and will not be supplemented much from our draft classes and certainly not intl fa after 2 years sitting out. So trading from the surplus too early could pay out in a single playoff birth but its not necessarily hitting the "waves of talent, consistent competitor" goals laid out by hahn early in the rebuild. But, despite that I'm still on the fence. I think these things can pay off. To me he's an example of a player that could be on verge of taking off and even with two years it gives you benefits, including exclusive re-negotiating rights.

Then you should want Carmelo Anthony to play.

I guarantee that garpax are trying to pay back JR for Hoiberg's salary and are intent on accumulating as much cash as possible. This is how we plan to utilize our cap space.

Everyone around fulmer loves him. But I think that should give some pause on how much stock you should put in "makeup" at least for a pitcher. A weaker makeup may mean Fulmer is out of baseball at this point, but it also didn't help him understand his body motion any better.

Right, basically the sucky thing is that a repeatable motion didn't seem to make him command any better.

I k ow that it is in the spirit of providing them in that they get additional value they can use, but I’m still quite annoyed at the thought of a team trading a competitive balance pick to the freakin Yankees.

Finally.

The money is a bad match. Either we take on hill or are sending significant prospect with it.

I don’t know about rest of you but the olney/nightingale/Lozano flap was a shark jumping moment for me. Kind of a sign that paying closer attention to it somehow made you know less. At this point, the market for him is Sox and Phillies and market for Harper is Sox Phillies and maybe another team like dodgers, but even at their discount mystery teams aren’t as likely to jump out to the 200 mill level. Really feels like it’s Sox game to lose so I’m done getting lost in details.

I wonder if Sox are just facilitators for a Pederson trade. I am a bit stuck on what fathom brings up with Atlanta, they have plenty of depth and reason to overbid us, but I also don’t see Sox selling out too hard for this.

This is what I would go with too.

I’m not really concerned about optimal team construction this year. It puts some guys in tough positions without a platoon but overall that could be beneficial. We are still in talent acquisition mode another year so no reason to worry imo.

I think it would be unlikely regardless. Maybe if he actually flies to Chicago to sign on Thurs or something he’ll stop by, but it’s his offseason and if he didn’t plan for it he may opt out. I think it’s more likely an artificial deadline for Sox brass to get off their plate.

Hey man flipping colome + for Pederson I can get behind.

So looking into contracts, I disagree. Pederson would be a cheaper deal for two years, but pirates have 3 years control for marte for only 32-33 mill. I don’t see them going after that short term budget assistance. Doesn’t feel like them.

Why?

Doesn’t mean I believe it. This sounds really early in process which means very likely to fall through with whatever discussed so far.

I generally have a rule that the longer the period between first learning about a trade and it not executing the more likely its dead. I’d put odds this occurs pretty low.

I would doubt he got it from his mom but also that’s not really Peggy’s gig.

Well said, it doesn’t mean you have to think Bush is definitely an all star.

Do you realize LAST year was Machados year before free agency, and strongly requested they let him play SS from 3b? Not this upcoming year, last year. So when you say “the machado principle” people would think it has something to do with that? If Pederson is acquired and is still in CF in two years, it’s because Sox don’t have better CF options, and it will have no bearing on his FA. Oh wait, I forgot how all of the teams are confused about how Harper player CF last year and are signing him as a CF now!

I have a hard time believing this kid is getting as many updates as he is implying.

Your argument is Joc would demand to play CF going into free agency a la Manny Machado instead of moving to corner. It’s a terrible argument. If he needs to play CF because Sox need it, then it has nothing to do with what machado did. So it’s a terrible argument.

I agree, I think some here underrate 2 years of control and he’s young and good. If he is available for less than he could be typically, then you just make move regardless.

Nope.