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I wouldn't have guessed so either but soxbadger has what i believe to be the most plausible motive for anyone to leak. But it's just a weird leak that I have a hard time believing benefits anyone, maybe the phillies in that it just causes uncertainty. edit: like maybe phillies float this, see the backlash, and go to manny and say "we would never waste your time with an offer as insulting as the white sox. Here's 8 for 250, we believe in you and don't try to just buy you off for discount by hiring your friends.:

Uh, yeah.

If he went on the market at age 25 like Arod did? I can't even imagine.

Yeah easily.

Right, Murray just happens to play the one position that has a better value prop than MLB.

Yes, more control for one. Doesn't think it's 1985 for another.

Completely agree, and that's why I thought Passan's report meant it was close ?

Here's the thing, there was a clear white sox org push yesterday to put out the "the offer is ONLY 7 years". That is the only leak that I would say with certainty came from a specific place and that's the sox. So this dovetails with that report, not passan's. That said, this goes back to I think dealing with language like "offered" and "official offer" and discussed, as I think people are playing around with semantics to the reporters to be cute.

There are organizations that can sit back and let the market dictate and then decide to top it, but I don't think the white sox are one of those organizations. But, I actually don't think they are operating that way.

Ha, missed this. A believable angle.

yankees twitter frothing at the mouth now edit: was mixing several folksy sayings and committed to one.

Scary part definitely is that this market is so limited. Even when harper/machado cleared, I'd say there are maybe 5-7 free agents after that that can comfortably say they are going to get more than a 1 year deal. The rest have to be worried they will get more than a spring training invite.

And that's the joke.

Especially with Reinsdorf involved.

I completely believe that the two sides are actually working out details of a new offer around 8 / 250 but is not formalized yet. But this leak is so weird and I can't really figure out who it benefits.

And obviously people should just trust this organization who have effectively waded in these waters before only to come out victorious. And before anyone asks, no I don't think this is our offer as it stands today, but yes, i find it significant that two writers put out same info. It means something.

and spurred by the actions of its own owner, very very white sox.

Now he has Nightengale confirming.

Yes, that's true. Part of me wonders if this could be from boras, bragging about how much higher his offers from harper are.

There is a difference between guessing where players will go and saying "an offer is out for 175 over 7". The other is specifically coming from somewhere else. I have to believe it's wrong, but this is a national reporter with lots of ability to talk to anyone, so it's not something we can just blow off.

Two tactics: - Boras never putting anything out there that harper will is courting or will sign for anything less than a record breaking 300+ million dollar contract. - Machado apparently saying "actually i'm not that expensive, i can't even break 200 mill!" I don't buy that lozano is an idiot.

For reference, that AAV may very well be what Arenado gets in arbitration or settlement for his age 28 season while under team control. If I'm manny i'm not jumping that anytime soon, to be obvious. Anyway, as I've said, sox shouldn't hold their primary objective as getting manny at the intersection of his market price, they should hold their primary objective of acquiring manny machado long term to be the staple of a rebuild of young players that is hopefully good for many years. And I think ultimately they do and this is "the official offer on the table" even though negotiations have it at a different amount.

Could be! But the guy also shot under 40% FG percentage and was pretty bad from FT too (60%, which is typically a bad sign for 3pt % too which was 32% for him). He was basically colin sexton in 2002 nba (sexton's shooting is across the board better in today's game).

I mean, signing the top SS because your top young players might have a sophomore jinx is pretty ambitious.

I disagree with your assessment. Tyson Chandler, ron artest, jamal crawford, elton brand, eddy curry were actually good draft picks and the bulls at the time were collecting a lot of assets, check out how many 2nd round picks they actually drafted! They fell in love with them, eventually got impatient and traded them for a 6th man. Chandler and Crawford are still in the nba for crying out loud, may be the best overall players from those drafts. Jay williams was whatever. I don't think he would have been good but 1st year point guard is hard. He was small, he wasn't that good at creating a shot, but sure. That run of draft picks from 1999-2002 was actually pretty freakin good.