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So basically after all this time we know absolutely nothing and unless we can somehow get a clear view I'm pretty sure that's the way it's going to stay. It was a controversial call but it's so close and Escobar hung his splitty and it got nailed. Like has been said that call didn't cost them a run but Pablo stealing 2nd and Joe nailing the hanger did.

Normally I wouldn't care but because I'm so close to st. louis now and the fact that if the sox can play them I'd maybe be able to go to a game or two at busch I'll say the cards.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:06 AM) Give some credit to Anaheim. They're playing their asses off too. They are part of the reason we are not executing. Oh, I'm not taking anything away from them and they're a fantasic team but some of the things could have been done better, scotty not getting down a bunt is inexcusable, Joe's mental screwup last night in the field shouldn't happen(though he's definitely made up for that), Juan basically non chalanting a ball today that Jose Molina hit. The play where it was them just beating us was aarons bunt, they just had chone way in and aaron bunted it right to him and figgins made a solid play. The angels are a tremendous team but our team can definitely play better.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:01 AM) Actually...I'd say this is basically EXACTLY what got us here. Bad defense and not executing?? The pitching has been tremendous all year but we're not going to win this series if we keep making errors and mental mistakes. Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining or anything cause I'm loving how we've managed to not play so well and be 1-1 in the series, I'm just saying that we're not playing up to our capabilities yet and when we do, watch out.

QUOTE(Wanne @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:38 PM) For the most part they've played pretty well this series. Now...if we could string together some hits in an inning that'd be nice. Dye is killin me. PK needs to relax. Hell...it's pretty sad when the meat of your order is your 7-8-9. ? We've played like doody so far this series. Mark and Jose have been awesome but the defense hasn't been pretty, we couldn't get a bunt down in game 1 and we haven't been able to get any clutch hits obviously minus Joe. This team definitely isn't doing what has got them here so far but that's okay, the series is 1-1 and I think they'll be ready to go come friday.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 11:15 PM) I hope to hell that Escobar catches Washburn's sickness. He threw 39 pitches and I don't want to see him ever again. I told wite before this series started that escobar worried me more then any other pitcher on their staff.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 11:16 PM) In this case, a picture is almost worthless. You need to see the zoomed-in frame-by-frame replay that FOX showed. To be honest cause I haven't seen the replay that you have, even though it's really difficult to see, that ball looks on the ground to me.

This game is so huge, if we can win this one we would have put ourselves in absolutely terrific shape. GO SOX!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:28 PM) So, how will you answer the question we're all sure we'll hear tomorrow: "So, how much did you pay the umpires?" from a Cubs fan. Any suggestions? I was thinking things along the lines of: - the same amount that we paid Bartman to screw you guys in 2003. - the same amount we paid Ronnie Woo Woo to wash our car yesterday - the same amount that we paid the clubhouse attendant to put cork in Sosa's bat - the same amount that Prior and Wood paid for a round of golf yesterday A punch to the face I think is the best way to answer.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:24 PM) They only ran it on ESPN about 20 times since the end of the game. Well ya, I know that but he's saying that there has been some different replay that clearly shows it hit the ground, I still can see nothign conclusive. I just have the hint that it hit the ground because Paul keep his glove on the dirt for about a second like he's trying to scoop the ball up.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:20 PM) Did you see the zoomed-in frame-by-frame replay? Where'd you see that from?? Just wondering cause I still have not seen it.

I still can't tell either way.

This is why I thought he trapped it. Right when the ball gets near Paul's mit he keeps the mit on the ground for a second or two like he's trying to pick the ball out of the dirt. I haven't seen evidence either way, I'll find out before the night is over though.

Anyone got a picture, I honestly believe it hit the ground as well but I don't have any good proof yet.

QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 09:40 PM) I know this is probably is a very amateurish question, but there's no way that the Angels protested this, is there? It's not going to do anything.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 09:38 PM) Wow, Eddings had no clue what to say right there. And half of what he said is basically wrong. You don't rule strike with two different motions. From what it sounds like is that the arm meant no contact and the call meant strike, and he does use that call all game so it's interesting. I still dont know if he caught it. Whoever that head ump guy dude is he seems to think that it hit the ground.

QUOTE(Balance @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 09:31 PM) While I agree with you 100%, that situation didn't result in a run for the Angels. That would weaken our "they got some breaks with calls, too" argument on that particular instance. Glad we won, just pointing that out. Um...yes it did.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 09:22 PM) You are right, irish. It's not AJ's fault the umpire butchered the call, its just unfortunate that this will tarnish Buehrle's effort. Right now, it's all that is going to be talked about but once game 3 starts this will be forgotten.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 09:19 PM) What a ball game. I don't know if that was an out or not (regarding AJ) but I thought the side angle showed dirt get kicked up. The Angle fox kept showing was too hard to see that from. The Fox TV crew was obviously decided on it being an out, but the radio crew was quite different thinking it got some dirt. I can't say for sure, but one angle (the side angle) made it look like it may have hit the dirt. Regardless, Buehrle pitched awesome, Crede came through huge and AJ was heads up going down to 1st. When I saw it in real time I thought it hit the ground then the fox angle made it look like he caught it. That being said Josh turns his glove over and you really get blocked from the view. Once mlb.tv comes up I'm going to watch that over and over again.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 09:11 PM) Just to shed some light on this from an experienced plate umpire. Regardless of whether or not the ball hit the ground, the umpire ruled 'out.' An arm extended means strike 3, the fist means 'batter is out'. Once he does this, he CANNOT ask for help at all. He's out, regardless of whether the ball hit the dirt or whatever any other umpire says. I'll take it. Sox win. But this is the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen. Can't that be a strike call though?

Heart just started beating again. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 05:48 PM) We gotta take this game. We GOTTA take this game. I do not want us going to Cali down 0-2 especially with the way we played out there earlier this season. Splitting?

The vikings just suck at life.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 03:17 PM) :headshake Hey, you said it not me.