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QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:40 PM) Ok sorry...what i meant by that was my posts as far as what i saw/think stay the same. Therefore, i'd certainly be pissed off, but i would try to post in the same manner, and explaining in the same way. You know what i mean? I know what you mean but I was just giving my interpretation.

Krush, if I was an angel fan, I'd be pissed at the ump and be pissed at Josh Paul and Escobar and basically the whole team cause they seemed to have lost their cool after that play took place. Here's the thing with the ump, I do honestly believe that ball hit the ground, on the other hand I'm mad at the ump for being indecisive and not knowing what the hell was going on. The way ump reacted and looked at Paul I think in his mind he still thought the ball was live but he didn't even think that his strike call would make that look so much like he was calling aj out. The thing also is that Kelvim lost his cool and hung a splitter and bam, Josh was trying to make up for the play and couldn't even get the ball out of his glove. If I'm an angels fan I'm pissed off at everybody and every thing, that being said, I honestly believe that was still the correct call.

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 11:54 AM) From what I've read it was a hanging splitter. You can see Paul before the pitch setting a very low target which makes sense considering what Escobar had done to every other batter he had faced. It was a hanging splitter, you can see the ball take a bit of a dip but nothing like he was throwing earlier, it just hung up there and got nailed.

Congrats to the garcia's.

QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:58 AM) Question: If 3rd and 1st were empty... why doesn't the guy making the play at 2nd on Crede not have to tag him? You'd think that stepping on the bag wouldn't be enough, kinda like when a player gets picked off at 2nd or 1st and they have to tag him first instead of just having their foot on the bag. Cause on a caught baseball you have to tag up to advance a base.

If you guys want to watch that replay I'm talking about it's about 18 minutes or so into espnnews which means it should be shown again at about 2:48. Krush, I know what you're saying about how the ball can deflect in the mit but Paul's mit had not even began to close yet when you see the ball change direction and because of that the path change would have nearly been impossible if it didn't touch the ground.

Ok, I think I just saw that replay you guys were talking about where you see the ball change direction, there is now NO DOUBT in my mind that ball hit the dirt.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:15 AM) thats kinda scary innit? To be honest..no. I'm so confident right now after todays win. If we can somehow get fridays game I think we would have just put ourselves in such amazing shape. We'd go up 2-1 guaranteeing a trip back to chicago if needed and guaranteeing that with needing 2 wins we'd have Jose and Mark both to go if it came to that. Friday's game would just be so huge for this team to win.

QUOTE(Spiff @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:08 AM) well apparently you didnt see a replay yet, because it appears as though he didnt go around. That call was very, very close.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:07 AM) if the rotation stays the same. i think it's all contingent on jon's performance tomorrow There's not really anything we'd be able to do unless it would be to move freddy up a day which I doubt happens. If we go to a game 7 it will be Jon.

It's Jose for me still. That being said if we do go to a game 7 in this series it's going to be Jon.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:02 AM) It would be even longer if we were down 0-2. I'll take it anyway we can get it. The haters can f*** off. If it was there team, they would have no problem with it. Oh no f***in doubt jordan. I hate offdays to begin with but especially in the alcs, I just want to play the game.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:02 AM) IMO, Rowand and Crede were clearly out. Not by a mile certainly...but Crede's hand wasn't on that base by the time the catch was made. There was one angle that showed this really well. Umps were right on the spot today for those calls at least. Completely agreed.

If so. It's about damn time.

The only questionable one was Pauly's check swing, the other two were clearly called correctly.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:52 AM) But we'll have to listen to the controversy on TV for an entire off day, so that'll be fun... Tell me about it. I keep getting im's from people just saying "BULLs***" like 20 times over and again. Whatever, I just want Friday to get here, tomorrow is going to be a long day.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:46 AM) Hey don't ruin our fun We aren't even really debating whether the ball hit the dirt or not, we're debating the umpire's mechanics and throught process throughout the play. Ha, I gotcha Krush. Keep debating, you're not hurting anyone. It's just funny that with all these replays we've got and seen that nobody can be sure whether the ball hit the ground or not. I just can't wait for friday now, time to get back on the field and forget about that play.

So basically after all this time we know absolutely nothing and unless we can somehow get a clear view I'm pretty sure that's the way it's going to stay. It was a controversial call but it's so close and Escobar hung his splitty and it got nailed. Like has been said that call didn't cost them a run but Pablo stealing 2nd and Joe nailing the hanger did.

Normally I wouldn't care but because I'm so close to st. louis now and the fact that if the sox can play them I'd maybe be able to go to a game or two at busch I'll say the cards.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:06 AM) Give some credit to Anaheim. They're playing their asses off too. They are part of the reason we are not executing. Oh, I'm not taking anything away from them and they're a fantasic team but some of the things could have been done better, scotty not getting down a bunt is inexcusable, Joe's mental screwup last night in the field shouldn't happen(though he's definitely made up for that), Juan basically non chalanting a ball today that Jose Molina hit. The play where it was them just beating us was aarons bunt, they just had chone way in and aaron bunted it right to him and figgins made a solid play. The angels are a tremendous team but our team can definitely play better.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:01 AM) Actually...I'd say this is basically EXACTLY what got us here. Bad defense and not executing?? The pitching has been tremendous all year but we're not going to win this series if we keep making errors and mental mistakes. Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining or anything cause I'm loving how we've managed to not play so well and be 1-1 in the series, I'm just saying that we're not playing up to our capabilities yet and when we do, watch out.

QUOTE(Wanne @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:38 PM) For the most part they've played pretty well this series. Now...if we could string together some hits in an inning that'd be nice. Dye is killin me. PK needs to relax. Hell...it's pretty sad when the meat of your order is your 7-8-9. ? We've played like doody so far this series. Mark and Jose have been awesome but the defense hasn't been pretty, we couldn't get a bunt down in game 1 and we haven't been able to get any clutch hits obviously minus Joe. This team definitely isn't doing what has got them here so far but that's okay, the series is 1-1 and I think they'll be ready to go come friday.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 11:15 PM) I hope to hell that Escobar catches Washburn's sickness. He threw 39 pitches and I don't want to see him ever again. I told wite before this series started that escobar worried me more then any other pitcher on their staff.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 11:16 PM) In this case, a picture is almost worthless. You need to see the zoomed-in frame-by-frame replay that FOX showed. To be honest cause I haven't seen the replay that you have, even though it's really difficult to see, that ball looks on the ground to me.