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Great images there, that's the best view you're going to get and it's still impossible to tell if it hit the ground or not. It obviously changes direction and the way Paul's glove is pressed down on the ground I'd almost think it would have to hit the ground to take that bounce. That being said you still can't really tell either way and we'll probably never know if that really hit the ground or not.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Oct 14, 2005 -> 07:42 AM) The key to the game offensively is to make Lackey throw strikes. Plate discipline is not our best feature. We need to make him throw strikes and not to do too much with his pitches. If we can tire him a bit maybe that curve will hang a bit and we can exploit it. We are away from home, so the golf swing homer shots should slow down a bit. It seems the minute we get home our approach changes. This is why we are a better road team. Lay off his curveball with two strikes is my biggest key. The game Lackey just pitched against the yankees he honestly threw about 90 percent breaking balls with two strikes, if our guys can lay off that pitch we should be in good shape.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 14, 2005 -> 07:49 AM) The second half has done a lot to temper my enthusiasm for Jon pitching under pressure, in front of his "ancestral home town". To be honest, I have absolutely no clue what to expect from Jon. He pitched pretty solid down the stretch even including the game where he gave up 5 runs against the tribe at the cell. That being said he hasn't pitched in forever but he did do the Kerry Wood special and pitched a simulated game, I just have no clue what to expect out of him tonight.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 14, 2005 -> 07:47 AM) Lots of reasons to believe either Garland can show up. Lots of rest, maybe too much. Opening game in LA. "The call" atmosphere. 18-10 career year. I think this answer is pretty obvious. The rally crede.

No doubt. With 2 outs you send him there but that's the only case, Joey's worst move since being here imo.

He's still the best closer in baseball. He deserves it.

UGHH, why Tuesday????????

Hey Krush, I got another question for you. In game 1, Cabrera's take out slide of Tad when he basically stood up when Iguchi was releasing the ball, is that interference?? The actual slide was legal but because OC actually stood up when Tad was throwing the ball I wasn't sure if that's interference or not.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:40 PM) Ok sorry...what i meant by that was my posts as far as what i saw/think stay the same. Therefore, i'd certainly be pissed off, but i would try to post in the same manner, and explaining in the same way. You know what i mean? I know what you mean but I was just giving my interpretation.

Krush, if I was an angel fan, I'd be pissed at the ump and be pissed at Josh Paul and Escobar and basically the whole team cause they seemed to have lost their cool after that play took place. Here's the thing with the ump, I do honestly believe that ball hit the ground, on the other hand I'm mad at the ump for being indecisive and not knowing what the hell was going on. The way ump reacted and looked at Paul I think in his mind he still thought the ball was live but he didn't even think that his strike call would make that look so much like he was calling aj out. The thing also is that Kelvim lost his cool and hung a splitter and bam, Josh was trying to make up for the play and couldn't even get the ball out of his glove. If I'm an angels fan I'm pissed off at everybody and every thing, that being said, I honestly believe that was still the correct call.

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 11:54 AM) From what I've read it was a hanging splitter. You can see Paul before the pitch setting a very low target which makes sense considering what Escobar had done to every other batter he had faced. It was a hanging splitter, you can see the ball take a bit of a dip but nothing like he was throwing earlier, it just hung up there and got nailed.

Congrats to the garcia's.

QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:58 AM) Question: If 3rd and 1st were empty... why doesn't the guy making the play at 2nd on Crede not have to tag him? You'd think that stepping on the bag wouldn't be enough, kinda like when a player gets picked off at 2nd or 1st and they have to tag him first instead of just having their foot on the bag. Cause on a caught baseball you have to tag up to advance a base.

If you guys want to watch that replay I'm talking about it's about 18 minutes or so into espnnews which means it should be shown again at about 2:48. Krush, I know what you're saying about how the ball can deflect in the mit but Paul's mit had not even began to close yet when you see the ball change direction and because of that the path change would have nearly been impossible if it didn't touch the ground.

Ok, I think I just saw that replay you guys were talking about where you see the ball change direction, there is now NO DOUBT in my mind that ball hit the dirt.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:15 AM) thats kinda scary innit? To be honest..no. I'm so confident right now after todays win. If we can somehow get fridays game I think we would have just put ourselves in such amazing shape. We'd go up 2-1 guaranteeing a trip back to chicago if needed and guaranteeing that with needing 2 wins we'd have Jose and Mark both to go if it came to that. Friday's game would just be so huge for this team to win.

QUOTE(Spiff @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:08 AM) well apparently you didnt see a replay yet, because it appears as though he didnt go around. That call was very, very close.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:07 AM) if the rotation stays the same. i think it's all contingent on jon's performance tomorrow There's not really anything we'd be able to do unless it would be to move freddy up a day which I doubt happens. If we go to a game 7 it will be Jon.

It's Jose for me still. That being said if we do go to a game 7 in this series it's going to be Jon.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:02 AM) It would be even longer if we were down 0-2. I'll take it anyway we can get it. The haters can f*** off. If it was there team, they would have no problem with it. Oh no f***in doubt jordan. I hate offdays to begin with but especially in the alcs, I just want to play the game.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:02 AM) IMO, Rowand and Crede were clearly out. Not by a mile certainly...but Crede's hand wasn't on that base by the time the catch was made. There was one angle that showed this really well. Umps were right on the spot today for those calls at least. Completely agreed.

If so. It's about damn time.

The only questionable one was Pauly's check swing, the other two were clearly called correctly.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:52 AM) But we'll have to listen to the controversy on TV for an entire off day, so that'll be fun... Tell me about it. I keep getting im's from people just saying "BULLs***" like 20 times over and again. Whatever, I just want Friday to get here, tomorrow is going to be a long day.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:46 AM) Hey don't ruin our fun We aren't even really debating whether the ball hit the dirt or not, we're debating the umpire's mechanics and throught process throughout the play. Ha, I gotcha Krush. Keep debating, you're not hurting anyone. It's just funny that with all these replays we've got and seen that nobody can be sure whether the ball hit the ground or not. I just can't wait for friday now, time to get back on the field and forget about that play.