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QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 04:56 PM) I think improving a playoff team into a title contender is substantially more impressive than getting a mediocre team into the playoffs although Collins has done a great job. Popovich is the only other guy who I would even consider. I think George Karl has a case as well.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 02:59 PM) Boone Logan is a top ten trend on Twitter right now. Apparently he doesn't like getting guys out. Bartolo was damn good today though.

Not that his numbers weren't insane to begin with but it's amazing how much better Frank Thomas continues to look after his retirement.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 02:33 PM) What a f***ing loser. Talk about destroying a legacy at the very tail end of a career. Yeup, that about sums it up.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 02:56 PM) Cough, Zoomslowik, cough. No, I actually respect the hell out of Zoom, he knows his s*** and he definitely watches games. He's one of the brighter basketball minds on this board imo. QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) When you say "rips Derrick Rose," do you mean says that he's a really good player, but isn't the MVP of the league because the Bulls success is more dependent on their defense than Rose? Because I don't really understand what's so wrong about that. I agree that advanced metrics aren't perfect in basketball, but to ignore them because they don't agree with your opinion is just as stupid as old-timey baseball people ignoring Jeter's obviously deficient defense because their eyes say otherwise. Hollinger watches plenty of basketball and doesn't just stare at numbers all day. He uses the numbers to supplement his basketball interest and help give a better all-around view of a player/team. And because I can't help myself, why are all Bulls fans so damn defensive about everything related to their team? I've tend to notice this with anything related to the Bulls, not just the Rose/MVP talk, but someone said Rose wasn't MVP, big deal. Just about everyone else still thinks he is. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, why do you guys seem to always go apes*** when other people don't think the same thing as you? I've pretty much stayed out of the MVP talk until the last few weeks because some of the comparisons that people are throwing out there for Rose's game are just ridiculous. Just as in any sport you have to take the stats with the eye test but basketball it's so much more important to watch the games than it is to sit there and analyze statistics. If Hollinger is really going to tell me he's not watching Rose play but he can justify saying he deserves to be 6th on a MVP ballot than he's a f***in moron. You watch a bunch of Bulls games and you realize just how important and just how good Derrick is, period.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) I agree...Santos has looked great, and Thornton got beat on a nice piece of hitting. Sale rebounded with a huge 2 innings vs KC, and Crain has been fine as well. Ohman and Pena are bad...but that was expected. It was basically Ohman on opening day and Sale falling behind Butler in the game we blew in KC, that's really the extent of it so far, and as you said, Pena sucks, no argument from me there. Thornton got beat on a bloop single by Kila in a game that besides that inning the pen went 6 with out giving up an earned run. The back 4 in our pen are going to be about as good as anyones this year imo, Ohman should hopefully be able to get 1 lefty out a game if needed and well Pena is just garbage but overall our pen will be just fine.

The badness of our bullpen has been ridiculously overblown so far this year.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 02:08 PM) Part of the overall team problem with lefties is that the middle of the order, PK, TCQ and Dunn all hit RHP better than LHP. So even though it looks like the lineup is balanced is isn't. This is why you see the lineup changed against LHP so often. As a team the Sox have problems with LHP especially the "soft tossing" ones. Konerko hits lefties better than righties.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 11:45 AM) Anybody ever look at John Hollinger's Twitter feed? He basically just rips Derrick Rose on it a few times a week, and then last night he was on there saying Rose is 6th in his mind for MVP while he also bragged about not watching the game. How the hell does a guy like that have a paying job at ESPN? He's basically just an advanced metrics dude. And, while such things work really well in an individualized game like baseball, the same cannot be said for basketball. At all. Any statistical category that says Derrick Rose is the 6th most valuable player really should just be laughed at. This 100 percent sums up my feelings. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem whatsoever with stat heads but if you're not going to watch these games and expect me to respect you as a basketball mind, you got another thing coming. This guy is good with numbers(hell, some of his stats are very useful) but he doesn't understand the game of basketball at all.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 12:02 PM) Unless I'm missing something, I don't believe so. Let's say we get those 2 and that's it. 97 points, I'll assume it was a ROW, so 38 ROW. Dallas wins out in regulation. 97 points, 38 ROW. The tiebreaker after ROW is points earned in games between the 2 teams. We have earned 3, Dallas has earned 6. No, you're not. I did the same calculations a couple of nights ago, you're spot on.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 10:34 AM) I learned last year not to doubt the Celtics based on regular season play. They're just not the same team with out Perkins, that's pretty obvious.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 08:02 AM) You had to know that the Sox wouldn't stick with 6 relievers for long. So if you are looking at sending down Lilli or Milli, its really pretty simple: Lillibridge is much more versatile defensively, and Milledge looked pretty bad in the field. You don't really expect either to hit for much, so... seems like the logical choice. Well that's where some people will disagree with you.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 09:04 PM) I don't know if you can judge the Celtics on their regular season play anymore, even though this team has looked terrible since the Perkins trade. Orlando doesn't really scare me more than Boston. Boston just isn't that scary since the Perkins trade, everyone knew it was a dumb trade and it's certainly turned out to be one. Definitely think we're heading towards a Bulls-Heat ECF.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 06:28 AM) Was that really a slider that Jackson was throwing? I've never seen a slider with that much downward movement. The ball was diving straight down, as if falling off a table. That looks more like a splitter to me. The velocity was pretty consistently around 87 to 89. Does that seem a little high for a split finger fastball? He throws a splitter too but ya his slider has more downward movement than the average one does.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 09:44 PM) Kurt Thomas and Keith Bogans really pissed them off. Thomas should be a big factor come playoff time. He's a dirty player that'll annoy the hell out of the other team on defense. He was very effective tonight on that end tonight. Absolutely. Bogans played a very nice game tonight, made a couple 3's and annoyed the hell out of Ray Allen. The only thing that is worries me a tad about this Bulls team in the playoffs is that it's pretty clear that Boozer is going to have a hard time scoring against some of the longer defenders down low. Now, this should really only come into play against Boston or LA if we meet up with them but it's something to look at for sure.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 07:28 PM) You said the trade was an obvious loss from a White Sox perspective. How else can one read that? And how on earth could you possibly know this at this point in time? Do you realize how huge it is to have Jackson in the rotation right now as opposed to Hudson? Do you realize how vulnerable we would be at this particular stage without Peavy and with an unproven starter in our rotation? What if Hudson falters early this year, as young pitchers often do after experiencing some success? And how is it that Hudson's small taste of success with Arizona last year is somehow something that can be relied upon, whereas Jackson, who has posted an ERA around 3.5 in a White Sox uniform still needs to show us more? I can accept that some people would rather have saved the money and had the 5 extra years of service time out of Hudson. But no one can say right now that either team has won or lost the trade, because the results on the field are not yet complete. What if Jackson anchors our rotation and leads us to a division title? An ALCS win? A World Series win? How the hell do you quantify the final result of the trade before the results have even played out yet? Overall, it's going to be a loss, yes. And for the 90th time, I haven't anointed Hudson anything and neither has anyone else around here. Edwin and Huddy both have to show more, Jackson has had an up and down career and well Hudson hasn't proven anything in the majors yet. Here's what we know: Jackson has the higher ceiling but Hudson thus far has been a tad better since the trade and the Dbacks get 5 years of a very inexpensive pitcher. At best, Edwin turns into an ace this season and we lose him next year. Now, once again, if Edwin has turned the corner(and I DO believe he has) and we can somehow manage to re-sign him then that changes pretty much everything. But at this point, it's definitely a net gain for the Diamondbacks.

And we haven't clinched the 1 seed yet, I misread the tiebreaker rules last night, oops. Magic number only 1 though.

This team is scary good.

My f***in god, Derrick! Holy crap that was nasty!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 05:53 PM) Eh. You are never going to get a perfect roster 1 through 25. There is always going to be someone. Oh absolutely. That's kind of my point though, when looking at the roster, the only guys I really don't like, hopefully(Peavy's health being the obvious factor here) shouldn't have that much of an effect on where this team ends up this year.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 05:50 PM) Sorry, but I don't. This is an overeaction to one bad game/day Not even close. AJ was bad at the plate last year, he's 34 with a ton of wear and tear on him from catching more than most catchers do(sounds funny but you know what I mean), I fully expect him to be the weak link of this offense and it has nothing to do with the 6 games so far. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 06:16 PM) Yup. It's pretty clear that Hudson has been anointed Jesus Christ status by some around here because he managed 11 solid starts in the NL with a .241 BABIP. And some of you guys read what the hell you want to read while completely missing the point.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 03:30 PM) Andruw Jones homered off of Duensing and doubled off of Liriano. He did similar things last year too. Would have been nice to have him back this year while still bringing in Milledge on the MLC. Then Andruw is on the team and Milledge is in Charlotte to begin the year. That would have created an entirely different problem later on, but oh well. Ha, I watched Jones double today and this immediately came to my mind as well. He definitely would have been the perfect 4th outfielder but I guess you can't get everything you want.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 03:23 PM) No thats exactly the point. Post 2005 is the most glorious time in White Sox history. They are spending money, trying to win. Yet there are fans out there complaining constantly about the management, the owner and the team. Well around here at least, there isn't much complaining about the owner. Since 05, we've spent a ton of money and haven't had a ton of results and people have gotten on Kenny and Ozzie because of it(some deserved, some not imo), if your gm and manager have a lot of money to work with than your fan base is going to expect big results from the team and if they don't get them, they'll start looking at the front office.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) I'm glad the 11 starts Daniel Hudson had in the National League last year with a .241 BABIP convinced you he's the second coming of Christ. Ay, what the hell is with people twisting every god damn thing I say today? So far Huddy has been better than Edwin since the trade. Do I think that will continue? I have no f***in clue. What I do know, is that the best case scenario here is that Edwin becomes an ace this season and we lose him next year while Hudson is in Arizona for quite some time and on the cheap. Now, if Edwin manages to pitch well and we can re-sign him for a couple of years I might have to look at the trade in a different light but as for now, it's a loss for the Sox. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) I absolutely agree, but I tend to struggle to look at the Sox in the same light if they had Hudson in the rotation compared to Jackson. Jackson could end up being worth 2 more wins overall than Hudson, and that could be what separates the Sox from winning the division and finishing in second. And this wouldn't shock me. As I said before the season, I can see Edwin becoming our ace this season or being a bottom of the rotation starter. Today was about as good of a start as there has been in the majors this season but 2 games certainly isn't going to convince me that he's an ace yet. I hope he's figured it out(and I'm leaning towards thinking that he has) and if he has, than yes he's going to make a big difference in not only helping win the division hopefully but making some noise in October but like I said, I need to see some consistency from him.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 03:10 PM) My guess is that the Sox have won more games and had more playoff appearances between 2005-2011 than any other 6 year stretch in Sox history. What do these numbers mean: 1983, 1993, 2000 Exactly. To play devils advocate, I'd also be willing to bet that we've spent more money in that time frame than any other stretch in Sox history. Makes a big difference.