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We have a good roster.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 20, 2011 -> 11:44 PM) I didn't have a chance to watch the game, but CP3's line tonight was quite mediocre (for him) and regular-season like. Did the Lakers finally give him more attention on defense? They switched defenders on him(wasn't Fisher the whole game) and he basically just disappeared in the 4th quarter. Wasn't one of his better efforts, that's for sure.

Canada sucks.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 08:47 PM) You should know that I never liked Reed and I think he's terrible. I can honestly say that I don't remember that. Guess your Reed hatred never stuck with me.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 08:32 PM) Yeah. I can't remember a high upside hitter in the system like him. I like him better than Mitchell. Do we have to go as far back as Borchard for a talent like that? Maybe Sweeney I guess. I'd say Borchard. Sweeney had a gorgeous swing but I don't think his upside was ever seen as ridiculously high. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 08:36 PM) I'll save Ace the trouble. Jeremy Reed. Even when Reed was raking he was never profiled as a high upside type guy. In those years he was most often compared to Mark Kotsay.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 09:30 PM) Wow. This would have been nice, I don't know, like all year long? I wonder if this is enough to rattle Vancouver? If only they could have broken through with that 1 extra goal in game 2 or 3 but I guess that's what will happen when you're the inferior team. I don't think this game alone will rattle Vancouver but if the Hawks can take game 5, some doubt might start to creep into their minds, going back to the UC, anything can happen in a game 7, yada yada yada.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 09:24 PM) I don't have a problem talking about the problems of this team, because there are problems with this team, even some I didn't envision it having. Fact of the matter is, the board is seemingly split pretty equally into "it's too early to worry about this stuff" and "this team is toast, sell it off and cancel the season." There is absolutely no middle ground whatsoever. So, if you want to talk about problems this team is having, that's absolutely fine, because I'll talk about the problems this team is having. But if you are going to even bring up the thought of this team selling parts off at this point in the year, I'm going to call you ridiculous or stupid or overreactive and then we're going to get even less done than we normally do on this site. I've been agreeing with you way too damn much lately. Well said once again.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 07:46 PM) Absolutely, he's so far away that slow progress is fine. I haven't seen a red flag from him yet. Obviously, he's striking out a ton, but as long as he shows gradual year-to-year improvement he's still one of the best prospects in the system. Last year he showed a big power surge and dropped the K rate a bit. This year he's still showing the power, the K rate is again a bit lower and the walk rate is higher. We're still a month or so away from being able to make a real judgment on his progress this year, but it's encouraging that he is improving in the areas he needs to. Edit: Bomb #2 on the night for Trayce. Love it. Hopefully his understanding of the game is starting to catch up with his raw talent, that'd be a huge boost to this system, no doubt.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 07:54 PM) People keep asking who's out there? If you want Ozzie and KW gone who do you replace them with? The answer is I have no f***ing clue. I didn't know who I wanted when we were trying to replace Manuel back in '03. Certainly not Ozzie. And anybody who says they wanted Ozzie outside of knowing he once played SS for the White Sox is lying. Nobody knew who the hell KW was outside of that he once played for the Sox. That's it. I want a Theo Epstein, Andrew Friedman, Alex ASFSADFSGA type. A younger, not so stubborn GM, who realizes how critical long-term success is. Not just emptying out your eggs into one basket every year. A GM that's more innovative. Not so old-school. That realizes the importance of advanced statistical analysis. The game is changing, evolving every year. For a manager, I want one that realizes the times were in. The league were in. One who's not stubborn to a fault and gets the most out of his personal. Realizes his players' strength and weaknesses. I don't want entertainment. Ozzie's swearing and soundbites were cool back in '06. It's old now. Ya, this is one of your better posts since you went through puberty(or whatever the hell happened to you this winter), well done. Like I said, I'm giving these two this year but if we fail(and I don't think we will) it's most certainly time to make a change.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 02:33 PM) At the time, I was very happy to see the Cardinals take it. I regret it everyday. That freakin team lost me 20 bucks to my roommate at the time. The bet? He got the Cardinals, I got the rest of the field in the f***in playoffs that year. Really?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 03:56 PM) This same debate happens every year, though. Some people think it's an entire organization problem. If this year ends the same way the last few have ended, there will still be people saying "it's too early" next season when the same thing is happening again. Well that's because it always is. When you quite obviously have the most talented roster in your division and you're 7-9 in mid April it's always too freakin early to give up. This team quite clearly has a good offense and a solid top 4 of the rotation. Now, I was quite confident to start the year that our bullpen was going to be very good this year, I can't say I'm confident in that anymore. If they are, we have a good chance to not only make the playoffs but do some damage, if they continue to be dreadful, well than we're not going anywhere. And putting an April trend on a manager is just odd to me in baseball, the manager can only do so much and while I've been a huge critic of Ozzies(the guy honestly pisses me off to no end) I'm not pinning any odd trend like this on him, the start to this season is not his fault. That all being said, if we continue to struggle and fail to reach the post season, Ozzie and Kenny both need to go. I'm completely with you guys who believe that we've for the most part underachieved during this managements tenure and if this current roster can't succeed then we need some wholesale changes.

QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 03:48 PM) As much as I'm not happy as to where the Sox are right now, dropping Ozzie and KW would be fool-hardy. Who is a better option out there right now for next year? KW is a very good GM with a bad habit of dragging corpses from the late '90s/early '00s onto the roster. Over the next 3 years, the Sox will be rebuilding and repairing the Doug Wilder mess and will have prospects to use from the home system. Beckham and Sale are the tip of it. Mitchell and Thompson can't be far behind. Sox fans are very short-sighted at times. How do you know that the grass on the other side of the fence is greener because it's better? How do you know that it's not Krylon and Astroturf? Really? Jared Mitchell and Trayce Thompson are leading us to greatness now? Those two should probably worry about hitting over .200 in the minor leagues before we worry about them leading our Major League club. And Kenny is going to be rebuilding an organization through the draft? Have you paid attention to his tenure? Now, I've been as big a KW fan as anyone but if this season fails, we really have no choice but to move on from both Kenny and Ozzie.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 03:52 PM) 2005 was a long time ago. We have one of the highest payrolls in the AL and have been in a pretty weak division during that span. I expect a better rate of success. And you absolutely should but it's way too damn early to be giving up on this particular team that's for sure.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 11:38 AM) I don't know, man. That really depends on your definition of fine. I can still see them winning the division, but I don't think even that will pull the type of attendance that the team needs to cover its payroll as the divisional race will likely be one between a bunch of gimps just hobbling to the finish line. They can take the division, but they'll get rolled in the playoffs like 2008. Eh, we'll see. I still really like this team overall. The bullpen obviously needs to get their s*** together but there's a hell of a lot more talent on this roster than there was in 08, that's not even debatable. And maybe the biggest difference is that we have 4 pitchers(even with out Peavy) who can win us a game in a playoff series where we only had 3 in 08 and our 4th had to pitch game 1 and everyone knew that was an automatic loss going in. If we get in(huge IF obviously) we'll have a chance to make some noise.

We need our best pitcher to step up here. Stop the losing streak, Mr. Danks!

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 11:42 AM) First it was a shoulder and everyone was sure he was done, now its his lat and everyone is sure he is done. How about waiting for some actual information? Well those people aren't wrong as he still hasn't pitched. When you're talking about a pitcher who keeps hurting some area of his pitching arm, it's pretty impossible to be optimistic on the outlook of said pitcher. This team overall is going to be just fine but I have no confidence in saying the same about Jake Peavy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 07:54 AM) Unless he found the Fountain of HGH. Ha exactly.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Apr 18, 2011 -> 11:46 PM) Every stat or metric favors Paul. It's simply not even close. Paul has been the better player. I love Rose, I love his explosiveness, I like the excitement he brings. At the same time, Paul is a better player than Rose overall. Paul has battled more injuries than Rose as well, he doesn't have the ability to take the punishment Rose does every night. Heck, I don't know any PG who can considering how strong Rose is. At the same time, Paul can simply do everything but score, better. That includes passing, court vision, defense, hell his efficiency field goal percentages and TS% are much better as well. We're all Bulls fans here, and we love Rose. And if I were starting a team, I probably would take Rose unless we're taking them both at the same age. In the case, I'm taking Paul easily. Plus, his game shouldn't drop off as hard as Rose's when they leave their primes which means the longevity will be there with Paul. With guys like LeBron and Rose, I'm not sure. I love how you talk about Rose being able to take punishment that Paul can't yet you've determined that Paul is going to be better in the long term than Rose, that intrigues me. Anyways, yes I'm a Bulls fan and the reason I love Rose so damn much is because he makes my team about as good as any player can. I've never cared for a player more than my team, hell...Mark Buehrle might be my favorite athlete of all time but if the Sox were able to even get a minor upgrade for him at any point of his career, I'd drive him to the airport myself. Once again, you can throw all the freakin stats at me that you want, I really don't care, when I watch these two players play it's Rose be a good margin at the moment. I know it's cliche but he does what he needs to do to make his team win. He wasn't a shoot first pg his first two years in the NBA but with this team he has to be and that's why he is. I actually believe it'd really help out the Hornets a bit if Paul would shoot more instead of only taking 11 shots a game, when you're your teams best player, you have to put up more shots than that, especially when you're not working with a great supporting cast. And not to be a complete asshole but I wonder how you personally believe this team was able to win 62 games when you think Luol Deng is complete garbage, something has to give there. By the sounds of it, if it were up to you we'd have OJ Mayo and Ben Gordon running this team while Rose and Deng were somewhere else. The Bulls would not have 62 wins or be the number 1 seed overall if we had Chris Paul instead of Derrick Rose. If I thought Paul were better than Rose I'd freakin tell you, it has nothing to do with Rose being on the Bulls, he's just a better player at this point.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 18, 2011 -> 10:22 PM) Anybody talking youth movement for a team that's 7-9 is f***ing crazy Indeed.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Apr 18, 2011 -> 03:11 PM) I have to admit though... the coldest I've ever been at a game was the Blackout game in 2008, and I didn't mind that at all. That game was EPIC. October 23rd, 2005 for me. Didn't feel a damn thing once the game started though. I can understand why people would want a retractable roof but baseball indoors is just f***in weird to me. I've been to a couple Brewers games with the roof closed and it had such an odd feeling to it. Anyways, looking back I can't believe how ugly the Cell was when it first opened. I didn't care at all back than cause I was going to watch the Sox play but looking back, that place was just fugly. Now, it's an absolutely beautiful park, love it.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 18, 2011 -> 11:44 PM) Yeah, we're good enough to win this division. That's not saying much, though, as about 7 other non-Central, AL teams could. Ya, I'm certainly not going to argue that.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 18, 2011 -> 10:21 PM) But that won't last. He's good but not great. And you would think Hafner will start to regress a good amount as well. This division is still ours to lose as far as I'm concerned.

Somehow, someway Humber just has to keep pitching decent(which I have no faith that he will) but ya, I'm pretty much done with Peavy. Good thing is that we gave up nothing, bad thing is that we're obviously strapped with his contract now. Also, absolutely no reason to give up on this season, this division is still ours for the taking but this seriously puts a damper on some things.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 18, 2011 -> 11:19 PM) What a cheap play by Price. Smart play by Price, horrendous, horrendous officiating. Bulls played like crap once again. Not much to worry about in this series but they seriously need to wake the f*** up and get going here. It's possible that going on the road might help, we'll see...

QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 18, 2011 -> 09:55 PM) Rose needs to be more assertive. He just needs to keep taking it to the rack, there's just no reason for him not to right now, especially with the Collison injury. It'd also be nice if Deng would stop having awful 1st halves in this series. On the plus side, Boozer actually looks like a legit player so far this game, so that's nice. Like I said, enough of the bulls***, just run them out of the f***in gym in the 2nd half.