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I'm thinking Gio is gone by tomorrow night.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:27 PM) Didnt millers arbitration clock start based on the stunt they had to pull, promoting him due to some contract item that Boras put in. Yes sir.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:23 PM) Andrew Miller and Ledezma could be solid. I like Ledezma, Miller isn't going to be ready for a bit, no matter how quickly they want to rush him.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:19 PM) So, because the White Sox rotation decided to take a year off of baseball, the same thing will happen with the Tigers? No, but Kenny Rogers is going to start declining one day or another, I still don't think Robertson is a good pitcher, who knows how Maroth will come back and Zach Minor is a bum. The only two pitchers I'd have confidence in if I'm a Tigers fan are Bonderman and Verlander.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:17 PM) I think we will hear about Mark Buehrle's fat contract extension pretty soon. I really hope you're right my friend.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:15 PM) Not to mention that the Tigers have gotten considerably better with Sheffield. We seem to be moving laterally, if not slightly forward/backward. The Tigers are going to have some of the same problems with their rotation in 07 as we did in 06. There honestly wasn't/isn't that much out there to make this team better than it already was. If our pitching staff pitches close to what we expect then we're again the best team in the division. That all being said, we could have got more for Freddy and that's what pisses me off about this.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:11 PM) We're all seeing the same thing. Mediocre K/9 numbers, bad numbers the past season or two. Floyd is a project. Kenny is certainly showing a lot of faith in Cooper here. Gonzalez is still pretty close, though, to a top pitching prospect. I know his ERA was right around four-and-a-half, but the K/9 numbers remain excellent, and he was still very young for his league. He's not in the league of a Pelfrey or a Bailey, but he's (IMO) in that next tier. We're getting two reasonably 'powerful' arms here. And $10 million bucks. Keith, what are we going to use the 10 mill on though? That was off the books next year anyways and right now there is absolutely nothing to make this team better in the free agent market.

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:11 PM) Well I said both but never said BMAC should be in the rotation. I am not impressed with his hanging change up at all. So I really don't see how this trade made us better. We took a potential 18-20 game winner out of the rotation and received two guys who may not contribute at all. Who will make up for 18 wins? In addition, I just cannot understand why we couldn't wait a bit longer and gotten more in return. Thats my issue. We still have the same holes we had yesterday. Nothing else has changed, and yes we are a third place team. Two other teams were better last year, and we did not yet get stronger this year. Franciso Liriano=Nothing I guess.

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:06 PM) You don't know that. Its pure speculation with a young arm. And you don't know that he wont win 18 games next season.

Please, please, please re-sign Mark.

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:49 PM) Yes and another thing, Mcarthy has not proven a damn thing. He could pitch like crap next year. He most certainly won't win 18 games. Why does everyone think Mcarthy is so great. He has not proven anything. he had a few good starts two years ago. Rex Grossman had a few good starts this year. so what. Gio will be the replacement for cotts in the pen. Is he better than cotts? NO. So how are we better? we are not. Gavin floyd, what a joke. Brandon will pitch better than Freddy did last season, now will he win 17 games? That depends on the offense.

I'm thinking Gavin is going to be in the bullpen as the long reliever: Bobby, Thornton, MacD, Aaaaaaaaardsma, Boone, Gavin. That would be my guess as of right now.

Who gives a hoot about the f***in Cubs

There honestly needs to be more to this. Gio and Floyd are both attractive pitchers(yes Floyd still has value) and I'm thinking/hoping that Gio gets traded in another deal to get something back with Floyd then rounding out our pen for this year. The problem I really have is I wanted to get some top young arms back and I'm just not that high on Gio. Definitely not happy about this. Hopefully there is more to this. For the time being, Kenny has lost my trust. EDIT: I kind of regret putting that last line in there. I'm not thrilled about what we got back obviously, but I still trust Kenny to make this team a contender, every year.

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f*** finals and f*** this week. Ok, I feel better now.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) The only thing I remember about Everett in CF was a game-saving HR robbing catch in a Buehrle-Mulder matchup at home in August. Oh god, Carl was probably the worst cf of all time coming in on balls, it was horrendous. EDIT: As far as Brian and Mack, they were basically the same offensive player in the 2nd half, you add in the defensive problems of Mack and you realize how ridiculous it was for Mack to be playing so many games out there.

Clever though Alfonso Soriano can't be traded.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 03:32 PM) That's some great logic. Good logic or not, Bonds will never sniff jail.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:26 AM) I have to disagree with you here. Hirsh is a big time pitching prospect, and I doubt the Astros would give him up. I actually agree with Fathom about Hirsh.

QUOTE(SnB @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 01:19 AM) don't get your hopes up, you know he's going to say something incredibly stupid soon that will get him in the national media. What social group does he go after next? I say pet owners. People who dance to hippopotamus songs.

I'm hoping Houston enters this whole mix as they have a lot of talent that I like. Jason Hirsh

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 12:18 AM) Can we please close this thread? C'mon Jason, Kalapse, Greasy. Anybody with the power. This trade proposal makes me literally sick to my stomach. Well I could have but since my name wasn't mentioned, I will not.

Washington State beats the Zags by 10. UCLA ended up blowing it open in the 2nd half against Gage's Titans.

Thank god. "Give me all righties, as long as they're good. Give me all lefties, as long as they're good," Guillen said. "I don't want to have a lefty just to have a lefty. Ok Ozzie.