Hangar18

The SOX are able to gain 5 stories today and try to make a dent in the lead the Cubs continue to have. Rick Telander today decides to do a puff piece on Marlins' manager Joe Girardi, while Toni Ginetti does a reunion type piece on Tony LaRussa and Jerry Reinsdorf. Chicago Tribune: 3 cub stories 6 sox stories Chicago SunTimes: 3 cub stories 5 sox stories Standings as of Wednesday June 21st, 2006 Priviledged, Media Owned, Media Favored, 5th place currently, 4th place in 05 Cubs 613 Underdog, Media Maligned, Media Ignored, 2nd place currently, WSChamps in 05 Sox 522

QUOTE(henry wiggins @ Jun 21, 2006 -> 06:43 AM) WTF? I missed this, and in this morning's Southtown, Phil Arvia is all over Ozzie -- from what I can gather, for Ozzie's political incorrectness in his tirade at the gasbag Jay: http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/co...ia/x21-ard1.htm Whatever. Once again, the person doing the beaning -- in this case, Moronotti of Ozzie, repeatedly -- gets a pass, and the Soz when they retaliate get whacked -- in this case, by the news media. What a crock. Go, Ozzie! ETA-- and no, that doesn't mean that I or anyone else thinks that Ozzie meant to offend a particular group with his epithet. Arvia and the rest need to get over the PC crap and realize that these are jocks, baseball players, who live in a world that is 90% testosterone and adrenaline and 0% political correctness. And if Ozzie says stuff that comes across as ignornant or uninformed, DON'T QUOTE IT! Even on an internet board, people are capable of using the IGNORE feature! YES. But what I dont like, is people Realize that OZZ will talk, and will hold nothing back. Knowing this, certain reporters continue to Instigate things by asking him certain questions knowing its fanning the flames of controversy. Memo to Ozzie: Know when your being baited

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 21, 2006 -> 10:16 AM) Why is that, does Boras have the market cornered on two sport athletes? You didnt hear about it ?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 21, 2006 -> 12:59 AM) Ya, he gets 7.25 mill if he pretty much gives up football. Or he can Cool Breeze it for a couple years and get his full 7.25 Million, which is what I think has Selig rightfully up in arms. The Cubs seem to be reinventing the draft process. This ND guy isnt going to leave 7.25 Million sitting on the table. Some of your are correct, this only arms Boras to continue to inflate contracts disguised as "bonuses"

Slump.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2006 -> 07:27 AM) The other problem is if you happen to sit on an aisle, the people in the middle of the section have to buy something from every vendor in the park. You spend a lot of time passing money, beer, hot dogs, cotton candy, and sodas around. I sit on the aisle, and theres definitely a pro and con about sitting on the aisle.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 04:27 PM) To be perfectly honest, I have been listening to Boers and Bernstein nearly the entire time McNeil and Harry have been off and have been really enjoying them. Those two are very, very entertaining. Boers & Bernstein are excellent. I love when they RIP on media (especially the Trib) from time to time. They dont hold back ....

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Jun 19, 2006 -> 11:04 AM) and I too also noticed that DJ's play-by-play is getting pretty damn good. DJ's professionalism rose quickly when he first got on air. Theres a reason why FOX uses him occasionally for National Telecasts, he can be informative and well spoken on the air

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 19, 2006 -> 01:44 PM) So are Mac and Harry back on the air today? Im trying desperately to get to the bottom of this myself. Im wondering how much some of this was "show" and how much was for real? Seems like this is more of a fight between 3 people (Mac vs Harry vs Mgmt)

welcome back! Im new too by the way .............

QUOTE(zach61 @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 03:28 PM) I apologize. I wasn't paying attention to which game you were referring to because I though I read somewhere that you were going to be at the games in Cincy this weekend and you wouldn't have heard DJ on TV then if you were at the game. No problem about being rude. I'm used to it and deserved a slam for not reading the post correctly. I read his response and then got down to yours before going back to re-read the post about DJ's comments. Oops. I guess I miss that corg guy to remind us about reading. I forget his exact line though. I apologize also then, I thought you were just trying to slam me for the seat comment

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 02:28 PM) Yeah, funny -- a team named the REDS has RED seats. :banghead Whats so funny about the Reds having "red" seats? The Funny FUNNY FUNNY thing, is that here in chicago, having blue seats sparked a debate that went for months about "tradition" and which called for Green Seats to be used in baseball parks not blue. I found it "funny" that the Reds had "red" seats for this reason. Im sorry if I offended some with my laughing about that, people DIDNT think that was funny. Im sure Red Fans would laugh if they knew what SOX fans discussed regarding seat colors.

QUOTE(Muscatel @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 02:58 PM) Hangar, you really are obsessed with this. I can see that nothing is going to change your mind, even facts, so I'll leave you in your own little world. hey, some people keep asking me for "proof", I offer points to consider, and its ignored. Just like the "there were always more cub fans" statement. I show attendance from 1981 and 1982, and its ignored. Someone says show me proof the media is biased. Someone brings up a murder in front of wrigley, people say it doesnt prove anything.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 02:27 PM) I live in the city and it was on page 5 of the metro section the second half of a story from page 1 of the metro section, and there was no headline mentioning the murder at all. The story was buried and that burial was a big topic of conversation on sports radio. How did some people not see that when it happened? I saw it, so did many others. Heck, I remember on saturday morning, am670 COMPLETELY LAMBASTED THE TRIBUNE for this blatant disregard for reporting news in favor of downplaying a negative incident involving the Cubs. Huge Story all Weekend. Nobody saw a thing apparently?

QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 02:47 PM) But seriously, Muscatel, if thats your real name, tell us why you never challenged this back in 2002? 2003? 2004? 2005? Surely I mustve fabricated something in that time-span? And to continue that line of questioning, if in that same time span from 2002 til now, why hasnt anyone DISPROVEN my theory? I wouldve thought the Muscatels and Zachs of the world wouldve completely shot this down way back then with a study showing the complete opposite. Im totally surprised someone hasnt come up with an anti-conspiracy theory, where numbers show that the Tribune (and the copycat SunTimes) actually were Biased in Favor of the SOX, and wrote as many stories as they could about the SOX (positive and negative) to keep them in the public eye. How did I miss all of those Comiskey2 is best park ever stories? I keep getting comments and questions from the Earth-is-Flat people around here, shooting down what ive kept track of, but never proving just the opposite. I'll say this, its certainly sparked some debate around here huh?

QUOTE(Muscatel @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 02:18 PM) So, on company time, I went to the library today to check it out. The shooting took place on Thursday, May 6, 2004. In Friday’s paper, a story appeared on the front page of the Tribune Metro section, not on page 5 as someone said yesterday. The headline said “Pedestrian fatally shot near Wrigley.” On Saturday, May 8, the Tribune had a front-page story – front page of the newspaper, not the Metro section -- with two photos and a graphic showing where it happened and the headline was “Suspect charged in killing near Wrigley.” In scanning the story, “Wrigleyville” was mentioned at least four times and I didn’t see “Lakeview” once. Note: I only scanned the story quickly, so I’m not claiming this is fact. On Sunday, May 9, a story on the front of the Metro section said “Volatile mix at Wrigley a worry,” and the story talked about all the drinkers in the neighborhood after games and the problems they can create. Now, I saw “Lakeview” used twice in that story, but one of them was a direct quote from someone from Citizens United for Baseball in Sunshine, a group opposed to night games at Wrigley. That means some people in the neighborhood call it “Lakeview” too. Rick Morrissey also had a column on the front of the Sunday Sports section under the head “Wrigleyville a neighborhood, not a theme park” That’s four stories in three days, all prominently displayed. I don’t see that as an attempt by the Tribune to bury a negative story about the Cubs. I don't have time to check all of Hangar's alleged "facts," so I guess the best thing is to treat them for what they are -- rants. if you found my counts to have been wrong frequently as you say, did you mention it over at the other site? Methinks you didnt. I also notice how you only bring up the shooting in "lakeview". How convenient. For those of you who were paying attention, the murder happened right after the game, with a fan who was at the game, walking across the street, from the stadium. Shooting happened early Thursday evening. CLTV and WGN, who initially covered the incident, noticably pointed their cameras AWAY from the lovely wrigly marquee. They showed the spot where it happened, and one couldnt help but still note the ballpark right in the background. both stations initially reported it as a "shooting at cubby bear". completely wrong. It was in the street in front of the park, not at the bar. Other stations who had cameras there did point northwards (not south) getting part of the ballpark in the shot. SunTimes did have the incident on its front page. Tribune? Apparently wasnt as "newsworthy" as the fans running on the Cell Field to be put on the front page. Tribune relegated the story to a quick blurb, in its metro section. Again, if anyone was paying attention, there was a firestorm of backlash towards the trib over on that other site. Everyone noticed the blatant way it was portrayed and it dominated sports talk radio the rest of the weekend. Online, the Trib used the word "lakeview" and "northside" in portraying the incident. Funny, because after the backlash within 48 hours, the word "wrigleyville" was sprinkled into the stories, and the Trib finally made mention of this on its front page, DAYS after the incident. Someone from that newspaper came online and actually debated the thinking as to WHY they portrayed the incident as they did. Muscatel isnt telling you the full story, as I dont expect him to. After all, everyone knows its not in the best interest of the Tribune to downplay bad news when it comes to the cubs right? Everyone knows that this never happened right? Hangar makes this stuff up as he goes along. Every poster of that other site knew he was full of it .................. His Media Watches werent from 2002 like he says. He just started it this past April and they told him to shove off, his information is fake and biased. QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 02:40 PM) That large cheering section you hear is chanting KEITH Hey Muscatel, nice job. You must work for the Sun Times, digging up this stuff. It's a damn conspiracy I tell you, a conspiracy. Nice job Muscatel, you really uncovered the anti-conspiracy didnt you?! WELL DONE! There never was a conspiracy after all !!! Hip HooraY! But seriously, Muscatel, if thats your real name, tell us why you never challenged this back in 2002? 2003? 2004? 2005? Surely I mustve fabricated something in that time-span?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 02:20 PM) The Tribune Company's job is not to sell newspapers, its to make profits. Coming up with a couple thousand more subscriptions from a non-affluent part of the city on the southside is not going to change their advertising rates, and certainly will not make a dent in their bottom line. The Tribune caters to the affluent, which probably don't make up the majority of their readers, but are the force that their advertisers want to advertise to. Its one of the reasons the notion that the rich and beautiful go to Wrigley and the poor and uneducated go to USCF has been around. It may shock you to learn, after we have had this beat into our heads for years that a study was done last year, and the average White Sox fan actually was slightly higher educated and earned slightly more money than the average Cub fan. With the Cubs being under the Tribune Co.'s umbrella, there is no way they would ever make the White Sox the media darlings of Chicago. Have you seen the baseball commercial on WGN? The World Champion White Sox, and the world renowned Cubs? Ridiculous. They haven't been as over-the-top unfair recently, but if for some reason the Cubs won the WS last year, and the Sox had the Cubs record this year, the White Sox would be as insignificant in the Tribune as the Blackhawks. The WS parade shocked a lot of people last year. There are far more people that care about the White Sox than even the White Sox knew. Logic usually wins, good post DA

fellow poster in town tonite, anyone else going?

QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Jun 19, 2006 -> 05:34 PM) The White Sox mailbag is out-of-control. Every week, we are seeing more and more terrible/ridiculous/unnecessary questions. It has to stop. heres the all-time high point from this week... With Garland's ability to handle the bat, both on bunts and hitting the long ball, and the fact that he's a good athlete, is there any chance Ozzie could use him in center field if Brian Anderson continues to struggle? If Garland played every day, could he hit 20 home runs? Just wondering. I'm serious, sort of. -- Mary, Scottsdale, Ariz. This was a very DUMB question. But the more I think about it, the writer may be trying to "stir the pot" so to speak with whoever answers the letters, not sure why, Im sure there are other questions she couldve asked. Maybe she got into a disagreement with the mailbag person previously? Very unusual question .

QUOTE(zach61 @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 02:08 PM) So in your very first post, you complain that the seats aren't angled. Now you quote DJ commenting about how nice it is that the seats are angled. What the hell are you talking about Cartman? someone tell me this guy didnt just ask this question .........

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 02:06 PM) I don't understand the question and I won't respond to it. Do you care to argue any of my points? Ignoring the Media doesnt work. See Reinsdorf, Jerry; Gallas,Rob for more information

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jun 19, 2006 -> 05:27 AM) Does anyone remember any Closer being this dominant for this length of time? YES. Dennis Eckersley was UNHITTABLE for a 2 year stretch once. Most recent has to easily be Dodgers closer Gagne. That guy had a consecutive saves streak going for quite some time, and was also LIGHTS OUT for a 2 or 3 year stretch I remember. Gagne did pitch in the 03 AllStar Game here, and got the blown save, and finally started to show he was human.

I know people who say they go just for the "good time", I can honestly say, its not really that much fun. For me of course. I hate that I have to get up to go find the beer guy (I wont drink bud, only old style if Im in the park there) because I end up missing so much of the game. Same with the bathroom. I try to time going to the bathroom with going to get beer, I can do both and at least not miss as much of the game as normal. I went to a Padres/DBacks game a few weeks ago at Petco with a fellow poster. I wanted to see the park again (my current favorite park), and quite honestly, wasnt as much fun without the SOX playing also. Rich kept saying it just wasnt the same going to a park just to go. Not sure how cub fans do it game after game

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 12:15 PM) I really can't stand complaints about the mainstream media. If it bothers you, ignore it. The fact that there are more Cubs stories on average than White Sox ones isn't some grand conspiracy to keep the White Sox down, but is entirely due to the fact that the Cubs are more popular and thus more likely to sell newspapers. The Tribune Company's job is to sell newspapers. The sports page isn't hard news, they don't even need the pretense of objectity. It's threads like these that foster the stereotype of Sox fans as insecure whiners more obsessed about the Cubs than the Sox. Mr. Knue? Is that you? West?

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 20, 2006 -> 12:41 AM) It's not going to get any easier in this division. Hardthrowing pitchers are seemingly generated out of thin air in their system. Just a couple years ago, critics were calling this division a "joke". Too bad they werent paying attention