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QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Mar 31, 2009 -> 10:12 PM) This will never happen because: 1. It would cost the Bears money. 2. The Bears suck, and don't have the ammo to make such a trade even if they want to. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. And Jerry Angelo SHOULD get blame when Cutler is dealt somewhere else, but not because he didn't try to deal for him. The blame he should get is because the roster he assembled is full of holes and didn't have enough ammo to make the deal happen. Although even if they did, it would be 50/50 if the ownership would loosen the purse strings enough to allow the deal to happen anyways. (Can you tell I'm pissed at the Bears?) 1. Have you looked at the Bears payrolls through the years? Do you know as a fact that they are always toward the bottom? 2. Every team in the NFL has ammo. The NFL draft is just around the corner. Do you really think it is a coincidence the Broncos are putting him on the block right before the draft? If you are going to crap in this thread with your negativity, at least throw some facts our way. I choose to be cautiously optimistic for the following reasons.... 1. Jerry Angelo's quotes about Orton and the QB situation not long after the season ended. 2. The lack of big spending as of yet. You have to admit, the Bears have made plenty of moves since 2004 (fa signings or trade). The money is there and will be spent in some form . There is almost 10 mil left after the rookie cap is spent. 3. All these little side signings. The shaffer signing for example, makes our 1st round draft pick a little more expendable. (don't mistake that with expendable).

You are quick. Was just about to post that

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 31, 2009 -> 09:25 PM) Another classic VDN give it to Gordon have him run around and chuck up a terrible shot play to end the game. Such incredible gameplanning. Heaven forbid we have a set play with 4 seconds left. maybe you should apply for the job

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 31, 2009 -> 09:23 PM) TJ Ford is gay. You would be right if the Ball is his penis and the hoop is a man's ... wait... I don't think I'm allowed to say that.

QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 31, 2009 -> 03:22 PM) I can't recreate the bat as well as I'd like. Do you have shades to come with the WP?

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Mar 31, 2009 -> 03:59 PM) If you can ever sit through Hamp and Holmes for a little while, you should count how many times Hampton says "uuuuuuh". He says it pre-thought, mid-thought, and post thought. Sounds like a famous sox fan we all know.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Mar 31, 2009 -> 02:05 PM) Did you expect Curry or Chandler to dominate from day one? Rookie bigs take time to develop. Look at Dwight Howard, he's only become a bonafide superstar in what is his 4th season, and a lot of that is due to SVG pushing him a lot harder than Brian Hill ever did. I see a lot of similarities b/w VDN and Brian Hill actually FWIW. Dwight Howard is a bad Example... Dwights season as an 18 year old was probably better than anything Tyson or Eddy has every done. Brian Hill is a bad Example.... Did you forget that his 1st year as coach was 93-94? Shaq's 2nd year and Penny Hardaway's 1st. btw, he went to the finals his second year as coach. If you see similarities with him and VDN, GOOD!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 31, 2009 -> 01:26 PM) Another point I haven't seen mentioned is the huge leap that the games of Tyrus and Noah have taken upwards this year. If VDN gets slammed for the bad, he should get equal credit for the good. You are exactly right.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 31, 2009 -> 01:27 PM) Explain to me why the Bulls are better with VDN as head coach. I read your post on the previous page, and you state a bunch of facts. The fact of the matter is, VDN is still learning on the job and unforunately the Bulls have lost some winnable games because of his inability to adjust at the end of games. Rookie Coaches can and should improve as they gain experience. making the playoffs his 1st season shows me that he is on the right track. I missed all the posts during the pre-season that predicted the bulls to be a top 3 team in the east. He exceeded expectations his first year, what more do you want? Should the Bulls take a step backwards next year, you pull the plug. As long as they are improving(as they have been the last few months) leave things alone.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 31, 2009 -> 01:05 PM) What kind of argument is that? Making the playoffs in the East means nothing when you're the 7th seed 4 games under .500. And he was the first pick in the draft... he'd have won RoY with or without VDN. If Avery Johnson is coaching this team, I bet we and Rose collectively are better at this point. I'm not going to spend my afternoon debating with 5 posters on why we should keep VDN. I made my points on the last page. Most of the arguments here are not backed by fact. A couple of you make good points. Some of the arguments are along the lines of, "I hope we miss the playoffs so he get's fired." WTF is that? I am not responding to these posts with no substance.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Mar 31, 2009 -> 12:42 PM) I don't think you should justify keeping a coach just because the #1 draft pick in the NBA wins the ROY award. Should Eric Spoelstra lose his job because Michael Beasley isn't going to win it? Of course not. You are not accustomed to following a team where rookies come to die.

very identical to the ads posted a few threads below http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=70567

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 31, 2009 -> 09:24 AM) I've already expressed a million times how preposterous it is that the Bulls hired a guy who had to learn how to coach on the f***ing job, and still seems clueless much of the time. How many straight sell outs have we had??? We have a rookie point guard that might be the most precious commodity in the NBA and we let this idiot run out supposed gameplans? Pax should be canned because of that hiring, still, and then that hiring should be canned. Sure, the Salmons deal was nice, but that was on the table a month or two before the deadline... any GM could have said "yes" when the Kings called. Same thing with Hughes... the Knicks have one thing on their mind and will screw their team until they get him, so they were happy to take that Hughes contract. I'm not going to have a little hot streak to score the 7th or 8th playoff spot change my feelings... they should be gone. Rather than agree with your pre-season concerns, I am going to look at the net results. Playoffs + ROY= he stays.

The coolest dudes I have met Frank Thomas Ray Durham Mark Buehrle Carlos Quentin Scott Podsednik Clayton Richard Man soo Lee Don Cooper Jim Thome southpaw non sox Mike Brown - Former Bear Tyson Chandler - Former Bull Pete Myers - Former Bull Names added that I initially forgot about(thanks soxfan3530) Norm van lier Alex Brown Bob Love

Good video, but Swisher is on the Yankees now . Maybe you can add some 2005 world series highlights? lol jk

Let Colon have a few starts before we all jump off a bridge.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 31, 2009 -> 11:28 AM) Your avatar is f***ing weird. Weird is a good thing on the internet. Thanks for the compliment.

waddle and silvy podcast ftw

Quality posts

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Mar 30, 2009 -> 06:49 PM) How quick people are to jump on Vinny, but not absolve or say, "I'm sorry" or "I jumped the gun". Instead, they just ignore it. I know, It's pretty funny. A lot of VDN bashers are people who read a newspaper article on why he should get fired or is someone who recieved their information from a buddy who did. What I see: A former PG handling and teaching a rookie PG -PG is arguably the hardest position to learn/teach in the NBA -Rose is on his way to a ROY season. (aka he's on the track he's supossed to be.) Don't be too quick to assume VDN did not have a role in his development. -We could have had Scott Skiles help develop Rose. That thought makes me cringe. (even though skiles was a good pg). Bill cartwright anyone? A coach with roster changes,young players,Distractions and injuries -Ben Gordon Contract situation -Luol Deng was slated by the organization to be a primary weapon. -8 man rotation plans and playbooks to showcase Hughes and Kirk were cut short due to injuries in November. -Remember the clutterf*** we had when most players were healthy at the same time? The Nocioni/Gooden Days? -Should we forget that the likely future core (luol,rose,tyrus and Noah) started the season at an average age of 22 years old? A coach in his 1st season -Will likely make the playoffs -Good chance to finish .500 - A team playing it's best basketball late in the season. My wishes before the season started were: 1. Develop the youngsters Tyrus,Noah and Rose have all played well this year. I could not have asked for more. 2. Make the Playoffs Well, I was hoping to make the playoffs in any form, to be be striking distance at #5 this late in the season is pretty remarkable. I'm getting what I wanted. Why fix and complain about something that is not broken?

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 30, 2009 -> 06:41 PM) This is sincere...I hope Owens catches on elsewhere and has a good career. He seems like a great guy. hopefully it is within the Division.

92-70

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Mar 30, 2009 -> 02:04 PM) i hope he does right away so ba can play or so they can get someone else. i just hope that when he does suck,they dont keep playing him and we a repeat of last sept. I hope wise hits .330 and is a 20/20 player. Will it happen? NO but... I will not root for someone on the Sox to suck. Sounds like you are more of a fan of the names on back of a jersey, instead of the logo on front.

as bad as a rep he received from the media, Frank Thomas was always great with the fans from my experiences.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Mar 30, 2009 -> 12:00 PM) So you are saying that he hangs with all of these HOF caliber players. But he shouldnt be HOF? Strange He is very borderline IMO. You can make a good argument either way. I'm on the side of the fence that says he should not be in the HOF. He will get in, gimmicks and uniforms seem to matter in baseball. Strange