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Alot of sox "fans" in here.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2006 -> 03:13 PM) I agree that Crede is better at that position than Fields will ever be, but that's not entirely the issue that should determine whether a person is traded. The question is...iif you compare a minimum $5 million or so for Crede next year, and $8 million or more the next year, combined with a potential for Crede to walk after 2008, to a $400k Josh Fields and whatever you could get for Crede, which one comes out as better for the team both in 2007 and long term? I honestly don't have the answer to that unless I know what teams might offer for Crede. But if someone offered me enough for Crede, the Josh Fields option could have its advantages. That all depends of course on what someone is willing to offer. If the offers are Chone Figgins, I laugh and try to sign Crede for a few more years. If the offers are Brandon Wood or Matt Cain or something like that...my ears would perk up. Man, I think you are underrating Crede a ton here. You are talking about the best defensive 3B probably in the game, if not top 3 in the MLB. On top of that, you now have a 30-100 3B who plays GG defense. Crede is now a premier 3B. Just look at how good he is on offense now. #4 in Hr's behind Glaus, Aramis, and A-rod. In SLG% he is only behind such franchise players as C Jones, D Wright, M Cabrera, S Rolen. Look at the company he is keeping offensively!!! He is slugging better than A-rod for god sakes. Another stat that is impressive is that Crede has only struck out 56 times this year. The only thing he really needs to work on is his OBP and walks. Which can come with another stellar year. Now with all those 3B I mentioned that are elite offensively. Which ones would you say are better defensively than Crede? He is a player that we need to keep close and sign to an extension, not shop for a potential player, or a National League pitcher who would watch his ERA climb over 4 or 5. He is a keeper, and thats that. QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 19, 2006 -> 03:14 PM) I'd like to see us platoon Sweeney and Fields in LF, and do whatever we can to upgrade at SS, backup catcher, and get another few arms in the pen. I still stand by my prediction that we'll either sign Pierre or Lugo this offseason. Lugo would work out because I do not think we have a lead off man otherwise. Although I still think, and this is gonna hurt a little, that Ross Gload could be a potential lead off candidate. If we get Lugo, then I wouldnt mind Sweeney and Fields in LF.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2006 -> 02:35 PM) Because you can get some of the top guys in all of MLB at other positions...and save yourself like $8 million a year in the process, by trading him...if the right deal comes along. We have a bargain top player at a skill position, that is worth more than we would get for him. QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2006 -> 02:49 PM) While 3rd base is not as strong as our starting staff, in that we have McCarthy, we also do have a guy at 3rd base who has already spent a year at AAA in Josh Fields. He's not going to give us near what Crede would give us, but Josh Fields + whatever we get for Crede could well be significantly better than Joe Crede + Fields in the minors. I'm not talking about any of these guys as a salary dump. But these guys have a metric ton of trade value, and if KW gets the right offer, he has to be open to it. A better option is trading Fields, or converting him. Crede is better at that position than Josh will ever be, and better than most MLB 3B will be.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 19, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) So we went from being a top 5 offense in MLB in the first half to being a top 15 (aka top half) in the second half. Either one is a step up from last year. We've had some offensive issues, but pitching has been the biggest negative change from last year. And that is the #1 problem. ^^^^^^ Egg-zactly.

Joe is one of the top 3B in the entire MLB, why would we get rid of something like that?

Just shows how much everyone would rather be negative.

No. And the only people making "radical" changes are the armchair GM's of soxtalk.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Sep 19, 2006 -> 12:56 PM) I'm not sure if I'm ready to reboot just yet just because this season didn't pan out. Record-wise, we've been 20 games over .500 all year. In most years that's the division and we're happy. This year the Tigers have been out of their minds and the Piranhas made a Cleveland-like second half run while we went sub-.500. Just a weird year, that's all. Nothing has seemed to click at any one time. So the question is: do you dismantle a good "on-paper" team for the unknown, or do you merely tweak that team with things that it's lacking? For a year at least, I'd say the latter. I don't think the overall team needs to be detonated, but there are certainly some players that need to go: #1 among them, Podsednik. He was the poster child for smallball in 2005 and the poster child for AWOL smallball in 2006. But to go nukular (sic) just because we didn't repeat I think is a little rash. You are correct, and the knee jerk people on this site will continue to try and say that this team needs to start over etc etc. Fact is, we are still a very good team. We havent gotten the breaks this year, and thats that. One thing we need to address is LF, and our SP. If we move a few pieces around, keep together the very dangerous middle of the order, we will be just fine heading into next year.

QUOTE(tpezz27 @ Sep 19, 2006 -> 12:53 PM) Our manager sucks thats why......I would have loved Gload in left and Cintron at short and leading off but that would have been too easy....We need to platoon fast speedy guys in left that can't hit, field or even steal anymore just so we can pretend we have a leadoff hitter......and Ozzie's love for Uribe is down right sick! Cintron leading off huh? His OBP is worse than PODs, who you love to say sucks.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Sep 19, 2006 -> 12:51 PM) Ricardo "No Neck" Pastrana of course Kalapse. I prefer David "El Cazador" Candelas

tpezz gives me a headache.

In the wake of all of the crap that has been posted in the last few days. I would just like to say congrats to Josh Fields on hitting a homerun in his first major league at bat. Following in the footsteps of Olivo and C Lee, lets hope he turns out more like C Lee. Congrats Josh

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 18, 2006 -> 06:31 PM) Water Street is the bomb... I'm having my bachelor party there this coming weekend. You ever been to the safe house?

So funny that the sox lead the league in BA with runners in scoring position, and many of you are still trying to debate that the offense is the real issue here. Heres a clue to why we wont make the playoffs Detroit 745 RS 605 RA Minn 741 RS 636 RA Sox 816 RS 722 RA

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Sep 19, 2006 -> 11:24 AM) I wish we would've traded BMac for Tejada when we had the chance. Yes, im sure that would have helped the fact that we have given up almost as many runs as Cle's s***ty pitching staff.

Bottom line in 2007 BMAC>Freddy. And the salary flexibility will allow us to find another piece that could help us make a run.

QUOTE(Brian @ Sep 18, 2006 -> 10:37 PM) I hope everyone keeps thinking OSU will go undefeated. I usually have low standards for Michigan but the way they have looked on both sides of the ball has me excited. They way they have looked a little above average?

QUOTE(The Critic @ Sep 19, 2006 -> 07:22 AM) Uhhhh, THAT's a different topic, SIR...... ....but since you brought it up, I'd take the Wildhearts. They have a nice mix of metal, punk and pop elements, and since I have 15 discs of theirs I'd have a nice selection to choose from. I'd take Pearl Jam, and it would take me years to switch Live on Two Legs out of the cd player.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Sep 18, 2006 -> 10:15 PM) Let the Fields lovefest begin. So does Bmac still have his name etched in stone for the 2007 rotation? Well s***. Fields comes in an hits a bomb, the "stars" come up and they cant hit s***.

I like having the royals alot in spet, very favorable IMO.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Sep 16, 2006 -> 06:49 PM) Last I checked, Jenks has been Ozzie's best reliever all year Why not stray away from common philosophy and use your best reliever - even if it is your closer - in that spot? That was a game changing moment, and if the Sox get out of that unscathed, it is a completely different ballgame. Closer in the 7th inning? Please. McD has the best ERA in the pen, and has been the most shut down reliever we have. Get over it.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Sep 16, 2006 -> 06:07 PM) The nail is now in the coffin for Notre Dame. How do they keeping getting ranked so highly every year, only to "dissapoint." They dont even have the same caliber of talent of the top teams in the big ten, why does every reporter assume they can stack up to the top teams in the nation.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Sep 16, 2006 -> 06:41 PM) Thornton shouldn't have been taken out of the game in the first place. Even McDougal shouldn't have. It was another case of Ozzie thinking lefties automatically get lefties out and righties automatically get righties out. Thorton put two runners on, and Ozzie went to the best pitcher in the pen. Second guess all you want, but on paper that seems like a smart move.

QUOTE(Cuck the Fubs @ Sep 16, 2006 -> 06:23 PM) If we miss the playoffs, do you think Ozzie gets the ax for everything that's happened this year?? Not even a chance. Only the people on this site blame every pitch on Ozzie.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Sep 16, 2006 -> 06:37 PM) I think we really need to look into trading Crede. His value will probably never be this high again, and we have someone who should be able to fill his role pretty well. Crede is probably top 3 3B in the league right now. I dont feel comfortable trading him and banking on a rookie. Crede needs to stay.