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QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 11:08 AM) Jenks outings lately and his stuff and the emergence of Neal Cotts probably has made Marte a goner. Lefty/Righty matchups aside 100mph heat and a knee buckling curve are equally hard to hit. And sad to say, Neal has much better control than Marte right now. I never thought in a million years that I would ever say that. jenks could be, but it certainly isnt anything im gonna count on. hes just simply not proven. at all. he could be solid this year down the stretch, but the jury is still out on that one. i just think its too big of a risk to say that he can automatically be thrown in 8th innings of close ball games

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 10:40 AM) I just dont understand the logic of acquiring Burnett only to spin him for Wagner. I feel the Sox could do both if they wanted, and they are waiting for Burnett to happen before they move onto improving other facets of the team. Im not saying that I dont think Wagner is as good as Burnett, Im just saying that they both fill different needs. it would be amazing if they could do both, but philly i think has said that the only way they will deal wagner is if they get a pitcher like burnett in return. maybe they would accept a deal with contreras instead, along with ohter parts, but i dont think KW wants to dismantle the current roster THAt much, and i dont think philly would do that anyways

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 10:32 AM) When the Phillies say Wagner isn't available, I'm more inclined to believe that means that they won't trade him as a white flag trade. If the Sox got Burnett, why wouldn't Philly be interested in a Burnett/Wagner swap? They have Urbina to close and adding a SP like Burnett would fit a lot better for them. It's entirely possible that a Burnett/Wagner swap could happen. the phillys would be interested in that, the question is, is the team that acquires burnett gonna be interested in that

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 10:03 AM) Everything I hear is that Burnett wants to go somewhere that isn't Chicago. f*** him. im more concerned with where he WILL play than where he WANTS to play

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 09:35 AM) Another thing that Bruce said that surprised me was that they are thinking really hard about turning Contreras into a closer if they acquire Burnett. ive said this many times before that they always envisioned contreras being a closer. before they got him for esteban, and found shingo, they tried trading for him about a month earlier with the intention of making him the closer. they must really see something in contreras that would make him a strong closer. i know his #s as a reliever with the yankees were much better, and iirc someone pulled his 1st innings stats from last year and the year before and they were tremendous

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 09:24 AM) between 9:30 and 9:45 this morning., when he was on with Carmen and Silvy. He said a couple of things that surprised me. if that was really how he phrased it, id say its gonna get done and ill believe what anthrax said earlier

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 09:20 AM) My buddy works for the sox, and mentioned that there was alot of activity going on there in the last few days. These are the names that I was given as discussed in the offices. A.J. Burnett Billy Wagner Jason Schmidt Alfonso Soriano very interesting about soriano, tho i know most here dont want him, i think its interesting the sox actually have an interest, cuz thus far it has just been pure speculation, and quite frankly still is, but at least this aint just some random persons idea, assuming its true

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 09:18 AM) He actually said "Burnett will be with the White Sox, let me rephrase that, Kenny Williams is trying very hard to acquire Burnett whether he is a rental or not." no kiddin? when was this?

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 08:59 AM) I can not believe we are discussing this. I mean, Soxtalk LOVES to get nitpicky, but the past page or so have taken it to heights the likes of which have never been seen. seriously, can we maybe talk about how someone on here is reporting that the deal is done and will be reported tomorrow morning, as opposed to arguing about the timeframe of bruce levines reports and who was right who was wrong who was b****ing about it whether levine is wrose than gammons. sheeeeeeeesh

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 08:37 AM) Some of you folks b**** just for the sake of b****ing. thats 100% true. its sad and pathetic really

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 08:13 AM) Looks like it is McCarthy and Marte for Burnett..Should be annouced Tuesday Morning. I read on another MB.. Take it for what it is worth.. which message board? did it seem legit?? gotta give us some more info here

still more doubters, i guess i shouldnt complain keep doubting us and then we will see you in october.... http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view...articleid=95142

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 06:08 PM) I thought Ron Harper was bad, then I heard Uribe hahahaha yep, uribes language is some like half english half spanish and the other half gibberish

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 06:04 PM) Did you read the post I was quoting? He was talking about chicken being half done not being as good as when it's done. He said that was Gio. back to the AJ burnett thing......... spin him off for wagner or no? if not who would we getting to replace damaso? Edit: ya know that AJ burnett thing, yea the one that this thread is supposed to be about

QUOTE(steiny48 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 02:32 PM) Whenever Ozzie is interviewed on TV, they need to include sub-titles. I can't understand a thing he says!! just be thankful uribe doesnt give daily interviews

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:49 PM) Besides what would you rather have at SS the next few years a young excellent defensive SS or an ageing veteran on his last leg? is both an adequate answer?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:52 PM) Personally speaking I've seen most of the guys in the system play on a few ocassions (this is the first year i'm not making a trip out to see the minor leaguers play). i wasnt really implying you, i know you know what you are talking about, i just think there are others here who prolly dont

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:49 PM) s***, I might as well quit FutureSox now after seeing the plethora of White Sox minor league experts here. I'm surprised that you guys know so much about these players considering you've never seen them. Damn you guys are good. Oh, I'm calling Kris Honel tomorrow to schedule an interview with him, can you guys tell me if he is good or bad? Thanks, I'm indebted to every one of you who knows more than me by being an armchair scout. thanks cerb. i agree 100%. see my post above

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:44 PM) Totally disagree. He has a very good curve, but his changeup is filthy. i dont really know, everything ive read has just said that he has a plus plus breaking ball, and a developing change. the change he got teixeira out on in spring training was nasty, but to be honest with you that was the only time i really saw it. i know he mixed it in a few other times during his starts in the majors, but the one to tex was the only one that stands out, whereas i remember being extremely impressed with the deuce.

just a general question to all posters out there. i dont know much about our minor leaguers, i mean i know pretty much all the names, and i can give you the general stats for most of em, but that dont mean i know much. how many people on here actually have seen these guys pitch/play. i know some have, because they leave near charlotte/bham/etc. but i suspect alot of people on here just make claims about minor league prospects based on like the 2 innings they saw in spring training or something of that sort, and many of their claims are unsubstantiated. for example, i know from my subscription to baseball america what gio throws, what his stats are, what he has done at each stop. but by no means can i sit here and say taht he is better or worse than bmac, since i have never seen gio pitch and couldnt even pick him out of a crowd. my gut would tell me hes worse than brandon just becuase brandon dominated at high A, but then again, brandon was 2 years older when he did that, so i could be wrong. at any rate, i have 0 idea about how much more often gio would pound the strikezone than mccarthy, and quite frankly i dont think many on here do either

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:34 PM) And he has a plus changeup too, people are starting to say its better than his curve. The Sox just haven't used it much this year for some reason. because its not better than his curve...

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:38 PM) May be something insignificant, but when Ozzie came out to get the ball from Marte, there was no usual clap or slap on the butt from Ozzie. Just grabbed the ball. he was pissed, even after the game he wasnt happy, but yes i do think its insignificant. they arent gonna trade him because he walked two guys

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:29 PM) Are you crazy?? Rowand is not the 3rd best defensive CF in the league. I'd take Griffey, Beltran, Jones, Wells, Hunter, Kotsay, Edmonds, Jeremy Reed, and Mike Cameron before I sniff Rowand. And that's just guys at CF. not me, i agree with the last poster, id take hunter, jones, and cameron, but after that, griffey isnt better anymore, rowand is better than beltran, similar to wells, better than kotsay, and reed. oh edmonds might be better than rowand too, but beyond that its about it, AND the mets stupidly moved cameron to the corner so he doesnt even count anymore

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:22 PM) So you're saying he's a druggy? whatever it was he got suspended for violating baseballs substance abuse rules

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2005 -> 05:20 PM) Robert Valido. The best shortstop we have in the system. and caught using steroids.