kwill

I think people underestimate the value of Frazier. I still think its possible to get 1-Top 100 Prospect and a lottery ticket for him or 2-Top 150 Prospects. Is it just me or is there just not a whole lot of top free agents signing happening. Encarcion, Chapman, Jansen, Turner all have not signed. Its strange to me. I think the big markets want to stay under the luxury tax for at least this year and its really hurting the market. Their are some good deals to be had.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:00 PM) Why depth? The Sox have depth in the low to mid minors but not much to speak of that is somewhat close to MLB ready. I just don't think they have the caliber of the top level guys that the Red Sox and Nationals did.

Have to figure Tucker and Reed are involved. This will have to be a depth package.

This is as solid of a haul as the White Sox were going to get. Yes, he was a 6 WAR player but he is tapped out on potential. Defensive metrics can very strongly year to year as well. We got two top 30 prospects. I am so pleased with the start of this offseason. You can make the case that with these two trades the White Sox have the best system in baseball. I would say we could only half done with the sell off. I get that these are only prospect but I have always been of the fandom that its always easier to watch a young team fail then an old team.

Any chance the Nats are now using the White Sox to drive down the price on Cutch? You have to be both a giver and receiver at times.

More than likely the Sox leave with just making the Sale trade. I don't know about you guys but it seems to me that you will not get premier value for Quintana or Abreu in this market. I would hold them for mid-season or next offseason to trade. The guys I deal are Eaton, Frazier, Robertson and Jones. Jones would even be worth keeping if you believe he can close games for you. His value would sky rocket if he can be as successful as closer as he has been in middle relief.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:38 PM) I'd be happy with Barnes and Lux, that is probably to steep still. I would be happy with that in return and really it is not all the unreasonable of a return. I still think if Jansen and Turner sign elsewhere the Dodgers will turn to the White Sox for a Frazier and Robertson package.

I just get the feeling the next guy they want out is Eaton. He put up monster defensive peripherals last year. He probably peaked on his value. I wonder if they want his attitude around for the rebuild. It would not surprise if they hang onto Quintana until the deadline or next year. Frazier and Robertson trade market wont develop until some of the other free agents are gone. I think Abreu has a real chance to be more valuable at the deadline than at this point in time.

QUOTE (RaySox @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:40 PM) Definitely enough, not sure if the Dodgers would do it Yeah. I think that would gut the Dodgers system pretty bad. I still think somehow the Dodgers are a match with the White Sox. If Jansen signs else where a Robertson+Frazier combo makes sense for them.

De Leon+Bellinger+Lux+Puig+ 2 Top 15 From System Prospects=Eaton+Frazier+Robertson. Is that enough?

Am I the only one who would like to keep Quintana at least for another year? I would trade everyone else but I expect the Sox window to start to be 2019 and beyond. Plus, I would like to watch a few games next year.

QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) I think the next domino to fall is Jansen. If he goes to the Marlins then the relief market gets very bare. I think the Dodgers will stay away from Chapman as a bidding war would be costly. Robertson becomes a very interesting play here as well. I still think the Dodgers trade De Leon with the Hill signing. They have plenty of depth in the rotation. If they could get a package back that has Frazier+Robertson= De Leon+ Lux+ Smith. I think you are in the ballpark.

I think the next domino to fall is Jansen. If he goes to the Marlins then the relief market gets very bare. I think the Dodgers will stay away from Chapman as a bidding war would be costly. Robertson becomes a very interesting play here as well. I still think the Dodgers trade De Leon with the Hill signing. They have plenty of depth in the rotation. If they could get a package back that has Frazier+Robertson= De Leon+ Lux+ Smith. I think you are in the ballpark.

One aspect to is I am glad to see Sale be able to pitch in the post season. Come this October I will probably be rooting for the Red Sox. I hate seeing great players left out of the post season consistently.

Why is the idiot Russo on. Can they bout his ass off and page Brian Kenny please.

You know everybody on this board wanted an "untouchable". They got one of those guys. In fact, he is the best "untouchable"

Sale to Red Sox.Done deal

I would still lean towards a package with De Leon and Bellinger as the headliners. i don't know if that is possible at this point but they seem closer to the big leagues. I get the feeling the Dodgers wanted to have Puig be part of the centerpiece of the deal. I still think they have an interest in Sale. Not many times you could put together the two top lefties in the game.

I agree that there has to be more to the deal. Maybe Tanner Roark gets thrown into it. But Robles and Giolito are two consensus top 15 prospects. That is a really good place to start. If I was the White Sox, I am totally leaking this deal. It only ups the price from the other teams involved. It certainly is not coming from the Nationals as why would they want that information getting out.

How would you guys feel about a package that had De Leon and Bellinger back with no Urius? I would actually prefer that over Robles and Giolito. Especially since the Dodgers could throw in depth sweeteners at the lower levels. I am know most think the Dodgers are done with SP but I think De Leon gets moved this offseason.

This is finally where the White Sox can get some leverage. This is the first news I heard where the players offered are at least in the ball park of what it will take to get Sale. 2 Top 15 Prospects with others involved. I do think the Nats are the team that gets Sale. Also, Mark Melancon just got the richest deal ever. Rumor is Janson could get upwards 80 million. Robertson's contact is looking like a major trade asset. Too bad he decided to have a down year. I can still see the Nats or Yankees have some serious interest.

What do the Dodgers think of Urius and De Leon to sign a 35 year who has a list of injuries to this kind of deal? Do you think it opens up the possibility of both De Leon and Urias being in the same package? You are not getting Chris Sale for depth. You are getting him for being another ace behind Kershaw. Does this mean those Dodger payroll concerns have been vastly dramatized?

I would not non-tender Brett Lawrie. I think after the dust settles in Free Agency there will be a market to trade him to contender that did not fill a need. He will be on an expiring probably 6 million dollar contract. He can play both 2B and 3B. Worst case scenario we hold onto him and play him at third base after we trade Frazier.

What is weird is the Pirates interest in Robles. I thought the reason they want to move McCutchen is to make room for Austin Meadows. I would love to see the Pirates get into the bidding war as they have some fantastic young talent and could use an ace to anchor their rotation. Sale+Cole would be as good as any in the national league.

I have to to be honest, I am just glad he had a second half like this. I thought the league figured him out. It is great to see leading into next season that he is still a middle of the order bat. I just think its start transitioning him into a DH. It happens to many 1st baseman when they get older. He does not need to be a full time DH as I do believe it is a transition to mentally stay in the game as a DH. But, the Sox would be wise either to have Mrorneau play more 1st base next year or sign a true 1st baseman. Players do have tough years hitting. Certainly McCutchen has gone through it this year. You can point to our own Konerko. I don't think you can blame Jose for the failure of this team. Certainly, you can blame Frazier for not only developing an upper cut home happy swing but his fielding was league average as well. Going forward, I am pretty optimistic for the Sox. I know that is strange for this board but they have several things working for them. -Tim Anderson seems like a quality major league shortstop. This is the first position player developed in awhile. -They seemed to have a great draft so far. Probably the best in the big leagues. - Both Quintana and Sale stayed healthy and pitched like aces - Miguel Gonzalez seems like a quality back end of arm of the rotation to replace Danks. -Adam Eaton has turned into the best right fielder in the game. I am torn between going for it next year and rebuilding. I still lean toward trading Sale. Next years Free Agent crop is not very good. I think it would be hard to add the necessary pieces to put this team over the top. Plus, I think the Sox could probably get a good bidding war going between the Dodgers, Yankees and Red Sox.