kwill

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 06:30 PM) Question for the board. What if Houston caved in and said they would trade Bregman but the trade would be Bregman for Q straight up. Would ya do it? I would not do it. I know how Quintana will perform in the next 5 years, I have no idea what Bregman will do. This is why you need to get multiple prospects to limit the chances of giving Quintana away for just a decent mlb player.

He said he is a number on conversations with other teams but he does not expect a deal to be done between now and by the time he picks up his bag at the airport. I think he is done at the Winter Meetings. He takes a steps back. The free agent market being really unsettled at the meetings is probably slowing down the trade market. If I would suspect that Jansen and Turner need to sign before a true deal can be made. Clearly The Dodgers seem like the next logical trade destination. I do think Jansen signs back with the Dodgers. Marlins offer has been sitting there for awhile now. If he wanted to go there, he would have signed by now. Even still, I think Robertson actually has a larger trade market than Frazier which to me is weird. You could legit have Red Sox, Dodgers, Mets and Rockies all of have interest in Robertson.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 12:27 AM) Wouldn't cost the Dodgers a pick Dodgers would get a supplemental pick if another team signed him. So in theory, it would.

If I am the Dodgers I am calling the White Sox up riight now. Jansen would cost 80/5 million dollars and a supplemental pick. Robertson- 25/2 million dollars. Probably 2 top prospects in a loaded system. The White Sox would probably do Lux and and Barnes.

This is good news for the Sox. Now Jansen needs to go to the Marlins. Hopefully, The dodgers will come knocking for Robertson because the closer market will look pretty bleak.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) It's just a weird market for power hitters right now. What happend to Jose Bautistas market? I mean damn the guy will be lucky to get 3/50.

I think people underestimate the value of Frazier. I still think its possible to get 1-Top 100 Prospect and a lottery ticket for him or 2-Top 150 Prospects. Is it just me or is there just not a whole lot of top free agents signing happening. Encarcion, Chapman, Jansen, Turner all have not signed. Its strange to me. I think the big markets want to stay under the luxury tax for at least this year and its really hurting the market. Their are some good deals to be had.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:00 PM) Why depth? The Sox have depth in the low to mid minors but not much to speak of that is somewhat close to MLB ready. I just don't think they have the caliber of the top level guys that the Red Sox and Nationals did.

Have to figure Tucker and Reed are involved. This will have to be a depth package.

This is as solid of a haul as the White Sox were going to get. Yes, he was a 6 WAR player but he is tapped out on potential. Defensive metrics can very strongly year to year as well. We got two top 30 prospects. I am so pleased with the start of this offseason. You can make the case that with these two trades the White Sox have the best system in baseball. I would say we could only half done with the sell off. I get that these are only prospect but I have always been of the fandom that its always easier to watch a young team fail then an old team.

Any chance the Nats are now using the White Sox to drive down the price on Cutch? You have to be both a giver and receiver at times.

More than likely the Sox leave with just making the Sale trade. I don't know about you guys but it seems to me that you will not get premier value for Quintana or Abreu in this market. I would hold them for mid-season or next offseason to trade. The guys I deal are Eaton, Frazier, Robertson and Jones. Jones would even be worth keeping if you believe he can close games for you. His value would sky rocket if he can be as successful as closer as he has been in middle relief.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:38 PM) I'd be happy with Barnes and Lux, that is probably to steep still. I would be happy with that in return and really it is not all the unreasonable of a return. I still think if Jansen and Turner sign elsewhere the Dodgers will turn to the White Sox for a Frazier and Robertson package.

I just get the feeling the next guy they want out is Eaton. He put up monster defensive peripherals last year. He probably peaked on his value. I wonder if they want his attitude around for the rebuild. It would not surprise if they hang onto Quintana until the deadline or next year. Frazier and Robertson trade market wont develop until some of the other free agents are gone. I think Abreu has a real chance to be more valuable at the deadline than at this point in time.

QUOTE (RaySox @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:40 PM) Definitely enough, not sure if the Dodgers would do it Yeah. I think that would gut the Dodgers system pretty bad. I still think somehow the Dodgers are a match with the White Sox. If Jansen signs else where a Robertson+Frazier combo makes sense for them.

De Leon+Bellinger+Lux+Puig+ 2 Top 15 From System Prospects=Eaton+Frazier+Robertson. Is that enough?

Am I the only one who would like to keep Quintana at least for another year? I would trade everyone else but I expect the Sox window to start to be 2019 and beyond. Plus, I would like to watch a few games next year.

QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) I think the next domino to fall is Jansen. If he goes to the Marlins then the relief market gets very bare. I think the Dodgers will stay away from Chapman as a bidding war would be costly. Robertson becomes a very interesting play here as well. I still think the Dodgers trade De Leon with the Hill signing. They have plenty of depth in the rotation. If they could get a package back that has Frazier+Robertson= De Leon+ Lux+ Smith. I think you are in the ballpark.

I think the next domino to fall is Jansen. If he goes to the Marlins then the relief market gets very bare. I think the Dodgers will stay away from Chapman as a bidding war would be costly. Robertson becomes a very interesting play here as well. I still think the Dodgers trade De Leon with the Hill signing. They have plenty of depth in the rotation. If they could get a package back that has Frazier+Robertson= De Leon+ Lux+ Smith. I think you are in the ballpark.

One aspect to is I am glad to see Sale be able to pitch in the post season. Come this October I will probably be rooting for the Red Sox. I hate seeing great players left out of the post season consistently.

Why is the idiot Russo on. Can they bout his ass off and page Brian Kenny please.

You know everybody on this board wanted an "untouchable". They got one of those guys. In fact, he is the best "untouchable"

Sale to Red Sox.Done deal

I would still lean towards a package with De Leon and Bellinger as the headliners. i don't know if that is possible at this point but they seem closer to the big leagues. I get the feeling the Dodgers wanted to have Puig be part of the centerpiece of the deal. I still think they have an interest in Sale. Not many times you could put together the two top lefties in the game.

I agree that there has to be more to the deal. Maybe Tanner Roark gets thrown into it. But Robles and Giolito are two consensus top 15 prospects. That is a really good place to start. If I was the White Sox, I am totally leaking this deal. It only ups the price from the other teams involved. It certainly is not coming from the Nationals as why would they want that information getting out.