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Our leading home run hitter hurt. Bad luck again for the Sox. We can look back on this as the reason we didn't win the division.

Its nice to see Hansen do well but he should be blowing these guys away. I thought he should have started in High A.

Who do you think gets the call first Fulmer or Lopez?

I wanted to see what others thought of Jacob May. He like Tilson has an injury riddled past but is having a solid spring training. I know Spring Training are tainted given the small sample size and pitchers are often working on certain things. He is a 25 year old prospect that has some very good tools. He has never really put up the stats to be given a shot at a major league spot but who are we kidding, what is the downside of giving him the nod at centerfield? If this season has anything going for it is that you afforded to give opportunities to guys who normally would be stuck as career minor leaguers. Peter Bourjos is not exactly a viable long term solution. What is amazing about May is that he has never had any power to his game. He plays solid defense and can steal some bases. He does not have terrible strikeout numbers in the minor leagues sporting a 22.4% K percentage last year. The real knock on his game is that he just has no power with only 3 home runs in 750 at bats the past 2 season. I look at his size 5-10/180 according to Fangraphs which this would make sense given his low power numbers. I decided to take a look at his twitter page and some of the pictures out of camp. May looks pretty solidly built with muscle. It could be his swing path is more for grounders given his speed. I was wondering has anybody seen May up-close to see if he listed wrong. https://twitter.com/Jacob_May1?ref_src=twsr...7Ctwgr%5Eauthor My hope is that in the process the Sox are able find a few regular major leaguers who could be starters in the future. Would love to hear some other Soxtalk thoughts on him.

I still have faith with Fulmer but he definitely needs better fastball location. His delivery has so many moving parts that he needs more reps at the lower levels for his age. I still think he can be a number 3 at some point.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) There it is. Now if I hear Kenny is going to see the kid personally, I may start to reevaluate my position. There is exactly a zero chance of the White Sox going into a penalty phase if Kenny hasn't even seen the kid yet. He is the final scout in this management structure. I wonder if in a Quintana trade the White Sox could trade for more pool money. A team is allowed to trade up 75% of there pool money.

I am actually more interested in Lopez's start than Kopech. For some reason, I am rooting the most for him to succeed as a starter.

Anybody want to try to get the price. I will say 1-6million bonuses can take it up to 9 million.

I thought the note about Burdi is quite interesting. Nick Hostetler said differently when talking to a blogger from Soxtalk. I wondered if Brass has reversed coarse on him.

Does anybody else feel like Quintana maybe worth more in June? It seems like that time a year when teams will be the more desperate. Astros having a slow start. Yankees having a good start. Pirates having a good start. Even the Cubs get off to a bad start or have a pitcher go down for a signifcant amount of time. I can see them waste a year while Bryant and Rizzo are in there prime.

God the Yankees rotation is hot garbage. I don't think they can really go anywhere even if they get Q.

I get the feeling if he is not traded by Soxfest we are going to camp with him. I am perfectly alright with that. It seems many don't believe in Quintana for whatever reason. I see him as a modern day Cliff Lee. He control the strike zone with great fastball location and has two good secondary pitches. I think if the Sox liked Frances Martes the deal would be done. Fact is many around the industry are not sold on him. If the Astros refuse to trade Bregman than you really don't have a front line piece Houston can give you.

I think the Cubs make perfect sense to trade for Quintana. The backend of the rotation is not all that good. 4th stater-Lackey is 38 years old and one year left. 5th Stater- Tyson Ross as best. A guy that may or may not be good after arm surgery. He already has issues with command in San Diego. Mike McGomery- A career reliever who is really good in long relief but who knows how he will hold throughout the season. And very rarely does a team go without using 6 or 7 different starting pitchers. Arrieta and Lackey will most likely walk. I could see the Cubs making a push for Darvish. I could also see them look at a guy like Archer with 5 years of control pretty appealing especially given his success in the American League. I do find it hard to believe the Cubs go into the season without picking up another arm.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 01:27 AM) Also tweeted this out. No reason to think it has any validity. nside Baseball ‏@InsideBaseball6 4h4 hours ago #Astros appear to be frontrunners to acquire #WhiteSox SP Jose Quintana. Prospects Kyle Tucker & Yulieski Gurriel could be part of the deal. Well that makes total sense. I knew we needed a 32 year old first baseman to headline a deal that contains our 27 year old starting pitcher in a rebuild.

I've seen rumors around every White Sox big name player except Jose Abreu. I know most on this forum believe the right approach would be to hold onto him until the All Star Break and swap him in another large trade for prospects. What do you believe his value is currently? Abreu's War has decreased all three years from 5.3 WAR-2014,3.0 WAR-2015, and 1.6-2016. Obviously, He had a terrible first half of the year but it did seem like he figured some things out in the later half. There is some good things too like his K% dropped last year by 3 points and his walk rate went up 1.6% from 2015. He is only 30 years old at the beginning of the season so one would think that he would have 4-5 above average years left in his bat. He is under team control for 3 year but still in arbitration so probably something like 3/38. It is interesting as you can compare like Edwin Encarcion get a 3/60 million dollar deal with the Indians at the age of 34. To be fair, Encarcion has been a 4 win player for 5 years in a row. One would think though that Abreu has close to the same value as a decrease in production should be expected for Encarcion. To go along with my question, Do you think if Abreu hit the free agent market this year he would have received a higher or lower offer than Encarcion? The second thought I had when reading the New CBA is it could be valuable to have Abreu around as a recruiting source for Cuban players. if I am reading correctly ( please correct if not), each ream will be allowed 5-6 million dollars and will be capped. If this is the case this will prevent teams like the Dodgers and Yankees from hoarding the best international players with money. It could be valuable to have both the best young player( Moncada) and another respected Cuban on the same team. http://www.sbnation.com/2016/12/1/13806488...ment-luxury-tax What would you expect in a trade back for Abreu if traded right now? Mine would be 1-top 50 prospect, 1-Top 150 prospect and 1 lottery ticket.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 06:42 PM) The main problem (which I was guilty of) is it's hard to comprehend the value of a super elite prospect like Moncada. I can guarantee you most GMs would consider him a top 30/40 asset in all of baseball despite only 20 poor plate appearances in the majors. Another factor is how much Kopech's stock improved over the course of the year and into the AFL. I think many of us still viewed him as a bottom half top 100 type and not a guy who is arguably one of the best right-handed pitching prospects in the game. Basabe is also criminally underrated and I myself am the first to admit how dissapointed I was at the time with him being the 3rd piece. Having said that, the more I read up on him the more I become enamored with his upside. Overall, I think it was a fairly even trade with no obvious day of winner. I tend to agree the gap between a guy like Glasnow and Kopech is not as big as many would think. Kopech stock went up with his performance in Arizaona Fall League. I expect him to be in the top 20 when the new rankings come out.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 08:28 PM) I know the Sox are asking a lot for Q and it's understandable. He keeps getting better and better every year. Seems like these teams are waiting out the whole off season to drive down prices. With Q though I can't understand why he hasn't been moved yet. If he goes to the NL he could get even better and a team could potentially recoup a lot of what they lost trading for him while also getting a couple years of good production from him. It really seems like a win win win situation for the team getting him. Production, salary, recoup talent later. More NL teams need to step up and take advantage of such a unique situation. It's too bad the Dodgers are such misers with their young talent. Friedman has brought the Tampa Bay mind set to a very rich team and looks like the Dodgers will keep hoarding prospects . Some of their moves just boggle my mind. I remember commenting last year how they signed all these broken down starting pitchers and was pretty sure they didnt have enough starting pitching to be a serious World Series candidate. Why would they sign guys like Brandon McCarthy, Scott Kazmir and Brett Anderson for $110M worth of contracts or give a 36 year old Rich Hill 3 more years at near $50M ? Now again they are low balling the Twins for Dozier who is a perfect fit for them. The Dodgers were last in baseball by a wide margin last year in OPS against left handed pitching and need a 2nd baseman. It's like a King dealing with peasants. You know the more I read on Dodgers prospects it seems like Bellinger is a top 10 prospect in the game and rated low on MLB Piipline. Everybody raves about the bat and glove. I would probably take him over Meadows for the centerpiece.

Can I just say whoever is getting these scoops before the National guys is an amazing resource for Soxtalk. Even if it ends up stalling, I still believe your intel.

I was hoping Texas to push Houston to make a decent proposal.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) This is a good example for me. I don't see why Pirates would feel need to include 3rd team if they still need to trade Meadows. I would assume 3rd team is to prevent losing Meadows/Bell. They would be able to keep Bell and still get a controllable outfielder in Comforto. They could then move Marte to ceneterfielf.

White Sox Get: Tyler Glasnow((Pit), Dominic Smithl(NY), Austin Meadows(Pit) Mets Gets: Andrew McCuthen(Pit) and David Robertson(Chi) Pirates Get: Jose Quintana(Chi), Michael Comforto(NY) Justin Dunn (NY) Pirates get two high end guys with control and a young prospect Mets: They get there centerfielder and closer White Sox: We get two high end position players with a young stud prospect pitcher. Close?

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:34 PM) After reading around, sounds like a lot of Pittsburgh fans think Keller is as good of a prospect as Glasnow, just may not be recognized nationally as such yet. Meadows, Bell, Keller and Elias Diaz would have me very happy. I was just reading the Prospect List on the Pirates and thought the same package. I think the White Sox would have to throw a bullpen arm in there as well. Robertson or Jones.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 02:12 PM) Rank your trade partners: Yankees Pirates Rockies Rangers Astros Pirates Rockies Yankees Astros Rangers I like the Yankees but they are rebuilding as well. I think they are unwilling to part with Torres and where I think Meadows can be had.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 12:08 AM) Any deal w'/ the Yankees prospects BETTER include Gleyber Torres. That kid is going to be a stud once he bulks up a bit. I'm with you on Torres. He has to be in any deal. He is on the same level as Rodgers with the Rockies. You can start mix matching after that. I think the Yankees will ultimately pass on giving him up. I still think the Astros or Rockies make the most sense. I am worried about Martes headlining any deal. I think he could be a great relieve but with Fulmer and Lopez could be ticketed there as well. Tucker, Paulino, Reed and Daz Cameron would be an interesting haul. Again though, I am not sold as each of these guys have bust potential.

I thought Derrick Holland was good at some point in his career but really, he was just an average starter. I hope he last to mid season.