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One good long term piece that comes from this is the likelihood of Kopech being traded has diminished dramatically. I would expect maybe a 2-year extension on top of his current deal because as much as JR does not like to spend they are very good at getting players to sign extensions. I hate trading away prospects. The one thing with Dunning is he really never had a true out pitch. When struck guys out in the big leagues last year it seemed with the fastball which to me is never a great sign unless it's a really good one. Dunning will never have that so he still needs to develop whatever that out pitch will be. That's a big if he can do that. Saying that I would have loved this trade if Lynn came with years already on his contract. Additionally, I hate this trade because I want Bauer. But I don't see how you make this deal without thinking you are out of that race. Maybe their offseason is Lynn plus 2 of ( Pederson, Cruz, Schwarber). I still have doubts that Vaughn will be ready next year to play in the big leagues especially before June.

What I find interesting is people saying things like Dan Voglebach is Jake Burgers ceiling judging by his season an A Ball and 2 missed seasons. I don't know how you get that assessment. Just like when people say Vaughn is ready. Like what makes you come up with that conclusion? Did you go to the Sox facility and watch him the past year? Seems like just spitballing your own vision without any sort of proof and statistics to backup this conclusion.

It's hard to tell what the market is going to be for any player at this point given the losses franchises have taken over the last year. I would be hesitant to let go of Rodon for four million dollars. I still think he can be a competent 5th starter with Kopech in June being ready to roll.

Do you think if a redraft today happened for the 2020 draft- would Crochet be the 1st overall pick?

Yoan is going to get hot for us. I can feel it.

So. Going to throw some positive vibes out there from this game as it was at least entertaining- i know heartbreaking. 1. Reynaldo for third consecutive game pitched really well. 2. Moncada although 0-5 actually looked half decent at the plate. 3. Mazara is starting to wake up. He had some nice opposite field hit today. 4. Adam Engel continues to shine. 5. The bullpen continues to be very good. Ok. Ruiz-sucks balls. Look in the playoffs Jose Ruiz is not going to be on the roster. Crochet pitched really good again, Heuer was fantastic and was a good test to see him pitch two innings. Tomorrow: Heres whats going to happen. 1. Giolito comes up big- throws 7 strong innings. 2. The White Sox put up good at bats against Beiber and score 3 runs. 3. Aaron Bummer comes back to throw a nice inning. 4. Yoan Moncada hits a homer. Thats what I'm going with. See you boys tomorrow! Leggo!

This game was awful to watch. They need Giolito to throw a great game tomorrow to get some momentum back. To many dead bats in the lineup- You can't expect Eloy, Abreu and Anderson to carry the whole offense. Moncada, Robert, Edwin, and Mazara need to step it up. Moncada at least put some nice swings together .

I am very skeptical of the value of Nick Madrigal ever being more than an average 2nd baseman. Here are the things that worry me. 28 hits- Only 3 Extra Base Hits. 1 Stolen Base- If you only hit singles. You would like the player to be a stolen base threat. 3 Walks- Yes, he works deep into counts so I do believe this is one area of improvement we could see in the near future. But, if you are not going to hit for power- you better be able to walk. 378 BABIP- He will probably carry a higher than normal BABIP because of his speed but he doesn't hit the ball with much authority which makes me believe this will go down as well. -1.1 UZR- This is such a small sample size so its hard to take field metrics seriously without a whole season. But, you would like to see this in the positive given the other limitations of his game. Now I am not saying that he will not improve. I do believe he will need to change his approach at some point to hit the ball with some authority. He could become more of a stolen base threat and maybe the metrics through a whole season will make him a positive defender. Some of this is not fair because he is in the majors when all of his draft peers are in the minors. But, He was the number 3 pick in the draft- you would like to at least see star potential. Right now, I see everyday regular.

Actually think he just belongs in the pen and can be really good there. He just never brings 3 above average pitches to the park.

Look if Moncada is not great than the rebuild takes a major hit anyway. We might as well be all in on him. I for one think he is a MVP type player.

I am so ready for the Sox to take this decade. The fanbase has been so patient with the rebuild. LETS F***ING GO!

I think the question becomes what does a reasonable extension look like for Moncada. 6-98 Million. Grabbing 2 more years of control, cost certainty but paying more in the beginning of the contract. This would make Moncada a free agent at 30 which would still allow him for another pay day. I can't see an agent letting him extend past 30. 2020-6 Million 2021- 8 Million 2022- 14 million 2023- 20 Million 2024- 25 Million 2025- 25 Million

Their is no way of knowing what/ how much what factors goes into a player signing a contract unless the player publicly states it. So we are left with this speculation argument which can go around in a circle. You can't correlate Moncada's decision with Grandel or Robert. All three are different people who could have different motives. One thing is clear Abreu has brought a strong Cuban influence in the clubhouse and does actively recruit for the White Sox. Additionally, It is my opinion that it is a good look to take care of your own players and show loyalty even if it cost you a few million dollars. I think 3/33 would have been a fair market deal. So we paid an extra 12 million dollars over 3 years to a player who has strong club house presence, actively recruits other players( whether this plays into their decision), and has been the face of the franchise during some tough times. To me this seems like small potatoes to gripe about.

I am totally against trading Tim Anderson. I know Lindor is a fantastic talent but I want to win with my guys. Tim Anderson - Signed a Long Term Extension With the Club - Leader During A Tough Rebuild - Exciting Player - Fairly Good Shortstop Can we just sign good players instead of trade our team leader for upgrades.

I don't mind the signing with considering the hope is either Kopech or Rodon are the 2nd half 5th Man in the Rotation starter. If Gio can give us 100 good innings I would be happy.

Pretty sure Sale's Extension starts next year for the full 5/150.

I know this would never happen because real life does not work this way but just for fun. What would you say we do this: Sign Rendon 6-240 ( 40 Per Season) 3 Team Trade ( Dodgers, White Sox, Ray) White Sox in the process are adding about 57 million from this. Dodgers Receive: Yoan Moncada Rays Receive: Dustin May Nick Madrigal White Sox Receive: Gavin Lux Blake Snell Joc Pederson I think all three teams would benefit. The rays actually could make out the best in the deal. White Sox: LF-Jimenez CF: Robert RF: Pederson C Grandal 1B Abreu 2B Lux SS Anderson 3B Rendon Rotation: Giolito Snell Cease Lopez FA/Kopech/Rodon Again, Don't hate me, just being creative.

Because those starters and relievers are probably not going to bring back the same value as Rendon but will cost more per season combined.

I would like to see the White Sox make a large play for Rendon. Consider just signing a Porcello type with the hopes of a bounce back and sitting out the pitching market until midseason. Just try to mash your ways to wins and then evaluate your young pitching before the trade deadline. If need during the trade deadline use Madrigal as a trade piece. I just have faith that Kopech and Cease are going to come through next season.

I totally understand this but we already got one good player in a position of need. One middle of the rotation pitcher does not make an off-season. I would be upset if Grandel is the only signing but I suspect that will not be the case. I think its encouraging that they had the best offer. I personally think they could use the 23 million per year over the next 5 in a better way.

I think we should withdraw from conclusions until the whole offseason is complete. Most people on this board thought Wheeler would be more than 100 Million. He got 118. It is a clear overpay and sometimes you have to do that in free agency but lets not act like the ship has sailed on the White Sox competing. If Phils went out and spent this cash right away for Wheeler and the next day we signed Grandal most fans would be praising the White Sox.

I would think the Dodgers would be looking for a middle relief pitcher for Pederson. I wondering if they would be interested in a guy like Hamilton or Johnson?

Thank you for the clarification.

Can anybody clarify. Are we at 38 or 39 on the 40 Man Roster. It should be 38 with Burr and Yolmer gone, correct? If so, Why open up two spots for 1 signing?

I just guess two things are happening right now. 1. Trade is closed to happening and need to inform all of the parties. I would have thought something would have leaked. 2. Waiting on physical results.