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Could be much worse- he could have "no heart" or, god forbid, be in the same clubhouse as Jerry Manuel who is very, very devilish as you know.

It's like saying if people would only stop being so, um, people-y then all the inherent badness (and goodness) that comes with the territory would cease to exist...and we'd have us a perfect utopia under Heavenly roof....In other words, a nice pipe dream, an abstract nothing more. Real world needs a more practical approach. Distraction to the team? Boo-hoo, cry me a f***ing river. They'll get over it or will just play/talk themselves out of the game. They are pros for crying out loud and even if they weren't...tough luck I am tired of all this babying. Almost as much as I am tired of this cowardly, unproductive, pseudo-devil advocatish "I have nothing against gays myself but look at it from their POV...." line that passively defends the status quo I hear so much. Whatever, get some cojones to speak your own mind... Meanwhile it's only a matter of time before the "gay barrier" is broken in the Jockdom. Should be entertaining as hell if anything else. I wanna see the smirk on Toad Jones (or whomever) face when he gets slapped with a "hate crime" tag and gets suspended for indefinite period of time or even jailed for bullying/abusing his gay teammate or some variation thereof. Morality shmorality, facts shmacts, pleas for reason and compassion shmo-whatever...nothing more "educational" (to say nothing of the sheer hilarity of it all) than wiping a homophobe's face in the proverbial cum of justice. If they don't want to "accept" change the easy way, I am sure it can be done the hard way- as in public humiliation and a possibility of a trip to the big house where I am sure they'll have plenty of experience with sodomizers whom they--what was the Todd Jones's excuse again, "don't understand much about?"...or was it "don't feel comfortable around/morally agreeable with"? Hey Todd, you chubby babboon, I don't "understand" homosexuality either but the world doesn't revolve around my experience, whims, comfort zone, morality, pseudo-scientific theories on what's "good" for society or natural, religious doctrine, etc...you'll "get it" sooner than later when your daughter brings home her girlfriend, lol...and even if you don't, I am betting in 20 years time the mere possibility of (unprecedented) public backlash would lead you to wisely suppress your intolerant views...kinda like gays were/are forced to suppress a huge part of their existence/identity. Karma will be a he-b**** indeed. When in doubt blame the media.

Pheww, thank God, I thought it was something serious

You could wait a copla days, couldn't you?

Ever heard of mouth wash?

Nah, you're just mad that you weren't one of those 15 guys, Mr. Puritan McSensibility

Ah, the Metrodome Factor........

It took you a 20-post correspondence to realize that? I wish you would've taken my word for it instead of wasting your intelligence and time in this fashion. Oh well.

Let's put it this way: even though TDS budget is tiny and they often phone it in (some eps look like they've been ad-libbed and put together in 10 minutes)...they are still two notches above the current atrocity that is SNL, anything really. This is what having great television comedy writing and casting (Ed Helms? The way he whisper-screams "f*** me!" while struggling to introduce internet gadgets is priceless) can do...95% of TV shows lack in both departments. Didn't Steven Colbert graduate NW? I know he was Second City-based for a looooong time before Strangers with Candy...he also provides the voice for Ambiguously Gay Duo as is Steven Correl.

TDS? Da best- the only TV show I make sure to tape if I can't watch. Even Simpsons or Sopranos lack this distinction. It's good thing the smug-atron Kilborn departed. It's all about Steven Colbert and John Stewart (probably the future replacement of Letterman, remember the name). Vince and Correl were funny as hell, but those two along with Will Ferrel were for me the funniest thing on TV in the last 3-4 years. Too bad the women on the show are irrelevant and untalented...bring on Amy Poehler from UC'B and SNL. "Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys"

Yes...and perhaps I am Batman, too. Sorry didn't mean to mess with your mind like that. There. ???

This is where he tells you about the % of the diseasee's occuring in the homosexual sector...

Yes, this is yet another example (as if any was needed) of why JR is such a smart little man in respect to refusing to sign great pitchers in their 30's to long-term deals- sure, they maybe be really good for 5-7 years, grab a Cy Young or 4, perhaps even play a huge part in winning the coveted, elusive WS....but at the end man, I tell you, those damn aging knees are gonna throw down a reality check, dreams shattered...for at least 3 more weeks.

What, you mean you didn't get the smoking gun e-mail he send ya? Better luck next time I guess.

Oh-oh...stop all this sugar-coating and tell us how you really feel.

i know her definition of it and believe me .. nothing falls.......anywhere........ lol Or so you claim; for all I know she is the sluttiest slut that ever slutted, which would suit my Floatus Boatitus just fine. Besides, "anywhere" is a such a broad term....and so is "fall". And don't get me started on "nothing"...... Oh and don't be threatened, V or no V., you're still number one Sox chick or close to it around these parts. Top three fo sho

Not to be all sexual lawyer-y, but it would depend on what falls (or rather doesn't fall) under your definition thereof, wouldn't it?

. Hence the word "simpleton" I stressed numerously to describe a significant personality component of his. Why would you even dignify "AIDS is a gay man's plague" and "sodomy means less births, more deaths" wacko-isms which are as fact-ignoring as they are grasping-for-straws-y, almost comically so? The next thing you know you'll be arguing legislative nuances and sociopolitical ramification of "f**gotness' with this inbred fool. Please tell me you aren't trying to convert the undereducated momo in an open debate... I have a better question for you, dawg: what do you think of your boy Enimen's stance on this issue?

Leave it to bmr to produce statements like the above without the slightest tint of irony. At first I thought he is tongue-in-cheekly trying to rile people up with this loony intolerant fodder so he could, I guess, blow his load reading their (understandably aggravated) reactions or something...Who knew he was being serious all this time? The jokes are just writing themselves, I swear.

Hotsoxchick, cwsox and all, Why do you feed the troll, er, bmr? Haven't you already realized just who it is you're dealing with here? Amazing really.

Blablabla...liberal f**gotspeak..blablablablablablabl...humanity and reason...blablabla...more f**gotspeak....progress...blablablablabl....pleas for compassion and understaning and introspection....blablablablabla...making me feel responsible, self-critical and all guilty-like.....blablablanblablabla....hotsoxchick and her ilk are going to hell...blablablabla....ooooh, Jimmy Kimmel Live From The WhoreHouse 3 is on!!

A smart move the benefits of which I am only now beginning to understand. Not only is he a hopeless simpleton (ample proof is scattered throughout his "baseball" and otherwise little theories), but what is infinitely worse, a bonafied, 100% self-involved asshole with a capital 'A' which he proudly wears Scarlett Letter style. Again, refer to countless thinly-veiled ad hominem attacks and laughably self-aggrandizing manifestos of his on the off-topic board for more. I am just glad people are starting to slowly recognize BMR for the moronic, confrontational clown he really is. You can print it, lol. Todd Jones? This is one of those issues for me which is either rant for days on end (I hate near-useless, patronizing platitudes in the "hate is bad", "gays are people just like us", etc vein) or say nothing, hoping that people like cwsox and their passionate and eloquent pleas will strike more and more chords. I simply can't do it justice at this hour, in this forum. . I might agree with the above in the ideal, abstract (some would say intelectually lazy) sense, but real life/reality, which, as you know, is very complex, contradictory and cruel is something else altogether. Let's just say that back in the segregated day, not many people were all that willing to "hear" what Jackie Robinson, MLK, etc had to "say". . It's just the most obvious example but there are hundreds more... Unless of course you think "f**gotness" is destroying the fabric of society like a virus, is constitutionally comparable to pedophilia and was invented by attention-starved fetishists to piss upstanding Americans off only to be thwarted by Alnighty who sendeth the AIDS virus to curtail the sinners' onslaught...in that case pretty much disregard anything I ever said, you're dead to me, lol Sure you can, it's done everywhere everyday, just think about it. Just because some things are still an uphill battle and aren't easily solveable with a cliche/slogan and just because humans can be intolerant dumb f***s if conditions are just right...doesn't mean the cause is futile...Anyway, its kinda funny-ironic that sexuality is something that many people feel is "changeable/controlable" but the views thereof are conveniently considered to be absolute. Amazing really...I have very little use/patience for bigotry and you can only play the "ignorance" and "I was conditioned by much bigger things that were around before my time; no use fighting this bio/psycho-sociological tide, let the younger generation take care of this perpetuated mess" card so much before I say "Stop, get over yourself and your inbred, outdated BS and take some f***ing responsibility for a change." I know selfishness and hypocrisy (whether religiously-, politically- or jock mentality-driven as noted by Steff, winodj and a few others on this thread or a weird amalgalm of all three) masquarading as morality, freedom of speech and pro-betterment-of-society posturing ....are a BIG part of human reality...but sometimes it gets so tiring and predictable and offensive to those who can fight the "tide" with one hand tied behind their back...that I want to start pimp-slapping ignoramii like Todd Jones. Hard. In the immortal words of one Texan, all you's queers can sodomize each other in closets and whatnot all you wants, but if you go anywhere near my kids and try recruiting them, there will be hell to pay. Besides, as Baggio noted, listen to some kids "opinions" on the matter. Hell, I was a homophobe myself as a kid and then a teen just a few years ago and so were many of friends. Sad but very true.

Your nostalgia is understandable...but I wasn't talking about their "art"/work (there is something to be said about all the talentless pretties that Studio System and Production Code era put out on regular basis...not much has changed, lol) but rather their personal lives. Hell, it'd be easier for me to list those stars who were/are not cheap, uber-obnoxious, slutty or hateful

It's a control issue. I can't speak for Snipes.. but DJ has a nasty temper and has a habit of dating insecure females. She was nothing but a beauty pagent winner when they married. After New Jack City she was Cleveland's "superstar". He did not like that one bit from what I was told (from a former teammate of his that I'm pretty sure can be trusted as a valid source ) The trend continued when he got involved with the local news girl. Once she got discovered by ABC NY he wanted nothing to do with her (or his child) and she had to (very publicly) go after him for support (he had to be served during BP - nice guy, eh?) It's a f***ed up issue. (Not that it has any bearing on the my point) I don't think Halle is a "vacuous pageant" type at all Miss Whatever or not, she has always been a known as very tempestuous, emotional, hugely insecure person herself, and that doesn't mesh well with a man who is also like that. Sparks will fly. As far as "only an idiot would cheat/beat on Angelina Jolie or Halle Berry" arguement, there is an old saying and goes like this: "Behind every successful beauty is a man who is bored with her" Add to it insecurity and jealosy that some of these husbands have in abundance, and you have recipe for disaster. As far as "serving" goes, it's a norm in the high-stakes male world, whether it's BP, shooting set or a board meeting. Never let class get in the way of a good head.

Granted society is more "liberalized" now...but Old Hollywood gets romanticized; Grace Kelly, Talullah Bankhead, Joan Crawford, Errol Flynn, Clark Gable, Rita Hayworth and countless others could give current stahs run for their money in the depravity/amorality (I sould like a damn preacher, lol) department.