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The game thread will be epic when Giolito is pulled after 4 innings of 1 run ball.

Especially pitching. Cleveland always seems to produce quality if not excellent pitching.

Eww. Could he the dreaded oblique strain. Hopefully, mild.

Probably one of the more useful skills they'll learn for higher education!

Mostly the way he threw breaking pitches. He "snapped" his wrist during those and it puts tremendous strain the arm especially the elbow.

With the way the philosophy of pitching has changed where they don't pace themselves in an attempt to throw 9 innings, it going to be rare. There is just so much stress on the arm that it just causes issues. A couple of other factors are the lack of minor league innings to condition the arm and the increased number of teams and pitchers needed. Many of the current pitchers would have been injured and out of the minors before they even made it to the MLB. Also with the advancement of surgery and rehab no one is afraid of UCL injuries as they know they miss one season and have an 85% of being the same or better than before.

The are a couple if issues when you are referring to a single person as an example. 1. How often did he throw at his max effort? He threw hard but was he there all the time? 2. He was an HOF pitcher. Some people just have the genetics to handle it. Nolan Ryan had poor mechanics and when they tried to teach people to throw like him, arms exploded. He was able to do it when few others could.

He does does have that short arm quick flip as well but not as bad as Sale. I don't think his mechanics are too bad. I think it more lack of workload and trying to throw everything near the top of his velocity.

True but very few teach the inverted W anymore. We realized pretty quickly the bad habits it created. It was mostly due to the lack of balance it created. What I never liked about Sales delivery was the quick flip from internal rotation to maximal external rotation leading into the acceleration phase. He just never gave the arm a chance with the poor force transmission from his lower body. He kept up pretty well considering everything. It's amazing that the Sox were able to keep him as healthy as they did, which all the experts didn't think anyone could do.

Here's one, I believe. It was stored on the site. UCLand velo.pdf

I posted a couple of articles within the last year or so. I'll dig them up tomorrow. Chris Sales issues are probably more related to his increased use of the fastball at velocity when he went to Boston Moreno than the slider. I think his fastball usage went up if I recall.

Actually the research on this has changed dramatically. With the advanced analytics of grips, pitchers have learned that if they change the grip but not the arm angle the slider can work well. They have done a good job of lessening the stress on the arm with the slider. Most of the UCL injuries are now tracked to how often the max effort it used for max velocity on the fastball.

So we're back to the same question. Are you saying all of the analytics department and all of the coaching staff only does exactly what TLR wants? Katz and the whole coaching really have no function other than to do TLRs wishes. Any improvements of the team are all TLR as well because they just do only what he says?

Just because it is the most efficient doesn't mean it's the only way. There are other pitches besides the fastball.

You just don't get it. I'm not blaming any one person. It is a decision made by information with multiple people.

You really think the entire organization is just yes men for TLR? The entire analytics department, Katz, the entire coaching staff. What kind of blame am I taking? What the the heck could I be blamed for?

No doubt it's been shown that statistically the best way to keep runs off the board is to take no chances and strike them out. It's to the detriment of the pitchers health.

No. I didn't say that. If that's what you read, I'll try to explain it again. None of these decisions are made in isolation. In the analytics department Duncan doesn't have the only say. TLR doesn't ignore all of the information given to him by the analytics department. Essentially I am saying everything that you want to blame on a single person is wrong. No one makes the decisions by themselves.

Again, are you saying that TLR made these decisions while ignoring the suggestions of the pitching coach and bullpen coach?

I'm saying the decisions are not solely based on one person. I'm sure even in the analytics department, Duncan doesn't have the only say and whatever he says goes regardless of any other input. Everyone says TLR is too old school. Well the old school way was for the Manger to manage the players andet the coaches do their work.

What does that have to do with the media reporting issues ayers have with the manager?

So what youre saying is that the White Sox set up the stats department so that they only do what TLR wants them to do and don't actually do any analytics about the other team?

With all of the ripping if the Sox for hiring him? There were many stories about hiw RH was told to hire him and it was all a JR decision. It would come out if there was a significant issue.

I have no idea who is in that department. My point is that it isn't a TLR decision in isolation.

Too hard, too much. "Reaching back for that extra" is fine. It's when you do it for every pitch that it becomes an issue.