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QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 06:25 PM) Wonder if they keep Q and trade Sale or unload both. I think they needto keep one. Otherwise it will be a really ling rebuild.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 06:21 PM) Or better yet...what if he's working with Aliens who really control all the corporations while using humans for manual labor and the only way you can see them is with special glasses And a metal colander on your head.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 06:12 PM) Seems like this story sets the Sox up for leaking a narrative that Sale forced their hand It does look like that doesn't it. They just had to trade him because he burned too many bridges in the clubhouse.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 05:55 PM) They've let him throw a few temper tantrums with no repercussions. Just because he is good doesn't mean he can say whatever he wants to upper management and get it thrown around the internet making the whole team look bad. I see it as the proper way to handle it. The first time he was probably told don't do it again or there will be a punishment. This is your one chance. He did it again and there was a punishment. He does it again the punishment escalates.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 05:44 PM) Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 8s8 seconds ago Chris Sale involved in a "clubhouse incident before the game," team says. #WhiteSox Uhhhhh. Yeah, he cursed out KW and Hahn for attempting to trade some of his buddies.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 05:43 PM) Watch it be he failed a drug test Well he does have that typical PED body.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) I've outlined a plan to build without him, so have others. I have not seen one single plan on how we can win with him before he leaves before free agency. By all means, share your plan if you have one. Otherwise, don't call rebuilding a fallacy, because it's the only course of action with actual logic to it IMO. I think the plan will be to trade Quintana and Robertson and a few others. I think that is the plan they will use and I think it is the better option than trading both pitchers.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:46 PM) Sorry dude, but Bryant >> Sale. I disagree. If a teamwants to win in the post season, pitching is more important.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:28 PM) I would take Schwarber, Contreras, and Baez. I don't necessarily need Bryant. If sale is traded a quality pitcher must be involved in any deal.

QUOTE (Insp @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) Amazing.....that little Frenchman swinging one of those long loaves of French bread that do not come with any wrapping just got a HR. Little?

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:43 PM) KW always wants to compete. He caught lightning in a bottle in 2005 and now assumes the way to win is overpay talent other teams don't want. It's not that he lacks TWTW, it's that he's completely misguided. Overpay? I thought they were too cheap. I get so confused and whiplash as well reading posts.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:15 PM) I don't think they have any plans to trade him, and I also don't think they are going to rebuild in the traditional way. They'll use Q to get near MLB ready bats. Agreed.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:14 PM) I think they've gotten the best offers they're going to get. They aren't going to trade him. I don't think so either. Quintana is most likely gone.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:05 PM) No, there are more than enough disgruntled old white dudes around to vote Trump in. But even some of us realize how awful Trump is and won't cross that line. Gary Johnson or bust! I'm on board!

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:06 PM) If they trade Sale and Q, they might not win 20 games the rest of the way. you could probably include next year as well.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) IF the sox are a player away, they may be more likely to spend some of their addiitional prospects for their top pitcher, vs. signing a lester at top price ala cubs. They have luxury to do that with their attendance/payroll. Sox may sell on a Soler instead. Can we stop acting like cubs are only good because of Arrieta? That team is loaded. 2 years ago look how many on here were laughing at Baez and how much he can't hit. Now we'd trade Sale for him. They have young talented players all over the system. Arrieta isn't the only reason they are good but he is the reason they are post season and world series contenders. That is what an Ace pitcher gives a team.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:25 AM) A big raise for darn near career suicide? He's been in the org for a while now, he must have know the way JR operates and how he let KW run things when he was assistant GM, but Hahn had interviews with other orgs. It's crazy to sit here and say he took a job somehow not knowing how the org works or that he was surprised last minute and had his hand tied. He absolutely knew how things are run in Sox FO. Hahn is huge part of this mess, just like KW and JR are. So of course I have no confidence the same guys who got us here will get us out. Bless you.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:20 AM) I would assume it involved a pretty big raise. Unbelievable...... Here we go again. Hahn the idiot who turned down all the offers from other teams just so he can make money and do nothing for the White sox. He must be on solitaire win 10,724 for the year by now. yeesh. Obviously, people on this board think that making money while showing no ambition or will to succeed is the way to go in life.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) KW is Hahn's boss. Hahn has wanted to rebuild and was overridden by KW and JR. That's so weird as there were stories 4 years ago that KW wanted to rebuild but JR told him no.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:08 AM) The Cubs are the opposite of us. They have two pitchers they bought and a team loaded with young talent at key positions. We have a garbage team we bought and home grown pitchers. The problem is our team sucks and we would be better off being bad and drafting better talent. There is no logic that states this current method is working and there's really no good way to keep Sale and Q and magically turn our team into contenders. Time to wake up. Attendance and interest is at an all-time low. There's no excuse not to start over. sure it does. Do you think the sox would be in contention if Abreu was hitting his norms and Petricka and Putnam were pitching to their norms? Also, I didn't say to keep Sale and Quintana, I said you need to keep one. They need the guy at the top. I'm all for trading one, preferably quintana.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:03 AM) I think the FO is trying to replicate the Sale strategy. The fact that you were fooled didn't make this team a contender. Sorry. The fact that you couldn't look at it logically doesn't matter either.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:01 AM) Like the Astros and the Cubs. They seem awfully sorry. The cubs for all of their young players still depend on two veterans for success, Arrieta and Lester. One was a pure luck minor deal, the other a significant FA signing of well over 100 million dollars. why depend on luck or over spending when the Sox currently have that piece?

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) They haven't been a realistic World Series contender since Sale and Q have put on a White Sox uniform, so... i think they were. The players have all just had career norm or down years all together. The only player playing above their norm is Melky. Any team that wins the world series needs to have a few players having career years and very few below thier career averages. I liked the plan with adding frazier and Lawrie among others. With their pitching it should have been a really good team. Unfortunately, Abreu tanked, they lost two bullpen pieces to injury and no one on the offense is having that career year. A good plan that didn't work. I have no problem with selling but they need to keep that one piece that is the most difficult to find....The Ace.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) Then we can always head to the FA market or the trade market to find our ace, if we do get to this "worst case scenario" point Spending 200 million for 5 years for an ace is not the way to have success. More often than not it doesn't work out. I would rather keep the one they have.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) What's the point of keeping Sale if Q, DRob, etc are traded? That team obviously wouldn't be competitive, and attendance would crater whenever Sale isn't pitching. If he was a position player, it might be different, but he only plays every 5 days anyway. He's the face of the franchise, but why keep a legit ace on a 65 win team? It really makes no sense. Because finding top of the rotation guys are really hard to find. There is a reason that these teams in contention are willing to trade a "king's ransom" for Sale, because he is a rare pitcher and nearly impossible to find. The sox have one already. The key is to have a discussion with him and see if he is willing to be on a bad team for a few more years and be the leader for a bunch of kids.