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QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) Quintana for four seasons is more valuable than 2 1/2 seasons of Andrew Miller, which received Frazier + Sheffield + two more prospects If they insist on keeping one or Frazier or Torres, I'd want Torres +++ and the rest must be very high quality Torres + Rutherford + Adams + Montgomery + Sands Minimum required = Two of Torres/Frazier/Rutherford + two more #10-30 organizational prospects I wasn't saying anything about that deal. My comment was is that he is not as good as sale thus you shouldn't expect the same haul the Sox got for Sale.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 09:54 AM) We can get depth and quality with a Quintana deal. I don't want one headliner plus a bunch of lottery tickets for 4 cheap seasons of Quintana. We must get a return like the Sale deal for him Torres + Frazier + Montgomery + Sands is a package I could see working Remember, Andrew Miller's 2 1/2 seasons netted the Yankees Frazier + Sheffield + two more prospects A Chapman three month rental netted the Yankees Torres + Warren + McKinney + Crawford Anything less than a Torres + Frazier ++ package would be us selling Quintana for less than he is worth. this will not happen. He is not the pitcher that Chris Sale is.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 06:22 PM) I'm not suggesting war is the be all, end all to evaluate a player, but rather to illustrate how valuable he really is. I highly doubt a deal with New York gets done. I'm surprised we have not heard more Rockies rumors. They can't go into this season with their current pitching staff and expect to contend for the NFL west Don't think they have the size to compete with the Raiders My point was that i don't think the GM's in MLB value him that high thus the Sox will not get the return that value justifies and no trade will happen.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 05:56 PM) 4th best in AL =/= 4th best in baseball. He's still Top 10, though, and I doubt many would deny that. Probably.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 04:37 PM) I actually disagree. Quintana posted the 4th best WAR in the American League. We wisely held out for an excellent return in exchange for Sale, why should we settle on Quintana? Judge's value is down in my opinion. He will be 25 years old this season and strikes out at a concerning rate. He struck out 44% of the time in 27 major league games. I might overlook this small sample size more if Judge were 20/21/22 years old, but at 25 years old it is more concerning. He will only ever be average at best defensively, likely regressing quickly due to his huge size. I don't like him as a fit. Wilkerman posted a .539 OPS in rookie ball. Yes, he is young for the level, but it shows how far he is away from sniffing the mlb level...if ever Most people in baseball realize that the abstract concept of WAR, while valuable, is not the only way to value a pitcher. Most also realize that Q while a very good pitcher, is not the 4th best in baseball. However, the White sox will stick to this point as well because they really only wanted to trade Sale not Q. Thus we will hear from the Fo that they didn't deal Q because they couldn't get value for him. IMHO.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 10:46 PM) And completely unnecessary. Doesn't change the fact that it exists and always will. There is a great deal of professional jealously when a player who hasn't proven anything in professional sports is making 5 times the amount of money as players who are in the sport. It's not as bad in baseball as the rookies have usually put time in the minors at least. These are usually the fun ones. It gets bad sometimes in football where the 1st round picks have the huge contracts with no time in professional sports.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 03:38 PM) Not ideal. I am all for the Sox getting him, but is there really any chance? Yankees, Boston will be able to sign him, and he will make Sale and Q seem pricey. The $20 million max posting fee won't scare anyone either. You would have to think that if the contract is going to be the same each team, he would go where he could make the most endorsement/personal appearance money.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 04:16 PM) We agree. They're professional baseball players. Real-world Professionals shouldn't be subject to hazing. All professional sports teams have hazing of one type or another. It's part of the culture and is usually very funny.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 03:08 PM) Kevin Millar is pretty much the resident goofball at MLBN but when he wants to get serious, he is interesting. He was talking about his free agency, first when he signed with Boston, and then when he signed with Baltimore. He said everything was OK when he hadn't signed by the holidays, but once the new year started panic starts setting in. He wound up signing in February, and was pretty nervous he wasn't going to have a home. I think when he signed with Boston he actually was close to going to Japan. That is pretty much his personality. When he played for the Kane county Cougars, he kept everybody laughing but was also one of the most intelligent and well rounded players. Florida would sent many of the non-English speaking players to the team and he would help them with English but in the Harold Ramis manner from "Stripes"

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 12:06 AM) you mean MLB? He's a helluva a competitor he just had the single most devastating injury to a pitcher...and he's being paid nothing. Minor League deal he can be cut at any time. I would put a rotator cuff injury as more devastating than a capsular repair, but the point is taken.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 10:50 PM) Just that the odds of Eaton's body holding up until 2019-2021 are 50/50 at best. His borderline reckless type of game just leaves too many possibilities for injuries. We saw it already with Rowand and how quickly he broke down in his 30's. Shane Victorino, another example, although not as close as Aaron. He's a lot more multi-dimensional than Pods as well, because of his arm and RF defense...once Pods lost his stolen base aggressiveness, he lost 50% of his value. And Eaton's had a lot more pop to his game than most expected, simply looking at him physically. That said, when he got "homer happy," it took him away from his infield hit/BB OBP mode, which arguably was even more valuable to disrupting the opposition. I think his had a little more to do with the "better playing through chemistry" than anything else.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 02:58 AM) He traded Keith Foulke for Billy Koch too. Not sure what the point of that one was. Why not just trade him for prospects? He traded Joe Borchard for Matt Thornton too.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 04:32 PM) That the Dodgers would rather spend all that money on free agents and taxes actually disgusts me. They are so protective of their prospects that they'd rather pay millions in tax penalites? They don't need every single one of those prospects and I believed it would be more prudent to swap some unproven prospects for good veteran players. Whatever, screw them. Hope they finally miss out on the playoffs in 2017. They realize that most prospect don't pan out. The more they keep, the better chance they have of getting a cheap, viable MLB player. This may be how they off set the FA contracts down the road.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 12:05 PM) Martes' delivery is so herky-jerky http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=2...;vkey=news_milb I really like his mechanics and motion. Don't know his history but I like it for future projections.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) No. Check out Hahn's quotes over the past 5 days. The quotes paired with the trades that have happened + the trades that are being discussed will tell you everything you need to know. I was one of the cynics before this week happened, but I'm convinced they're going full rebuild on dat ass. I hope you're right and RH doesn't say at the beginning of the season that "we just didn't get the price we wanted for anyone else."

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) Yeah, if that is the deal, I'd rather keep Q. Any other cynics here think that the "rebuilding idea" and the two trades were just excuses to get rid of "perceived" problems in Sale and Eaton and the Sox are done trading?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 06:42 PM) He didn't specify. Said they've all watched tape on him and threw out their ideas and tweaking his mechanics to get angle is something they could do. He does have a little too much of drop and drive for me. Hopefully the angle they are thinking is staying taller. I know Cooper likes that in general.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 06:20 PM) Hostetler says they're going to tweak the angle he's throwing from to improve fastball command and movement. Did he say if it was to raise or lower the angle? I would not lower the arm angle of a guy that had a UCL replacement already. That's asking for injury.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) I thought this was very interesting: I wonder if they ran this by the legal department. This has all sorts of issues. Not the least of which is that MR imaging is extremely unreliable.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 09:00 AM) No need for season tickets, walk right up and buy the game you want to go to. Get below face on the internet True. But I like the seats and the beer vendor knows what and when to bring me the beverages. Plus I should be in a good seat to catch the many HRs from the opposing teams.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 05:53 AM) I get a kick out of the people who say they will go to more games this year. Maybe there is a chance you will but overall people won't. If the teams the last 5 or 6 years were hard to watch, and last year's team was actually really good at home, the 2017 team is going to be hard to stomach. What is compelling about watching Derek Holland give up homers and if the don't leave the yard, watching Avi Garcia chase the down? Nothing. Maybe in a couple of years, but if you thought the baseball was too bad to watch before, it isn't going to be better this year. And I have season tickets. Even Cubs fans stayed away to a certain extent when they did what the Sox are doing. Yeah, its going to be a lean couple of years. But I'll still have my season tickets and enjoy going to the games. It will remind of the late 80's with Danny Pasqua leading the team with 15 hrs and Ivan Calderon (RIP) wandering around the outfield.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:48 PM) Thanks to some heady pre-writing done by our staff, we already have an article up with details on Giolito, Lopez and Dunning. Here it is - dig in! I like the look of giolito. Good smooth mechanic although he over strides on occasion and hits on his heel too much which can act as a brake for the body. Overall he should be really smooth as he continues to learn his mechanics

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:06 PM) Was doing a bit of research on these guys and Lopez's stuff is incredible. Having not followed the Nats this year, I didn't see either of these performances (or highlights). This kid has incredible stuff: I literally couldn't wipe the grin off my face while watching these videos. Not a fan of that straight up follow through reminds me of rodon from the other side. I worry about his future command.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:09 PM) It doesn't help solve the problem we have now, at all. Our position players have been awful. As of now, we have set ourselves up to have the exact same problem we have now, but only if all goes right. If it doesn't, we won't have offensive or pitching. Maybe they take the glut of pitching prospects and trade them for hitters. Three pitchers for any non-mvp caliber hitter is a steal.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:54 PM) I'll say Kopech's delivery looks a lot less high stress than that guy we just traded, but I'll defer to ptatc on that He's got that classic hard thrower mechanics. I like his much more than others we've seen lately. The only thing I would really change is that his stride lands too far to the throwing arm side and that's going to lead to balance issues and command inconsistencies.