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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 01:22 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/news/gm-jerry-dipo...-215115777.html According to Passan, Scioscia is the last "all encompassing power" manager left in the game today, with LaRussa gone. OK

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) I don't care if the manager is deaf and blind. All I want is a team prepared to play on a daily basis. This team is not that. I agree. I'm just saying that the "type" or "style" doesn't matter. Picking one based on that shouldn't be a high priority. Although teams often do that, especially in baseball when they spend so much time together.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 11:03 AM) and at that time, the most visible change will be, outside the FO, the manager. i keep saying this, i would really want a fiery manager at this time. shake up the team. That's fine but it probably won't help. All types of managers win, calm, fiery, screamers, micromanagers. Just because it's different from the current one doesn't make it better. Just because it's what the fans want doesn't make it better. And one thing we know about fiery managers/coaches is that they have a strict shelf life.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 12:28 AM) Recently read an article about common traits of millionaires. The author argued that the most important individual trait was decisiveness (not stubbornness). The article also argued that decisive "leaders" are very hesitant to change that decision (once made) and don't waver or waffle or reverse their decision until they've patiently and carefully weighed every possible factor that went into the original decision. If the front office is 100% behind Robin Ventura, then they should give him a contract extension and shut up the media and the blogosphere. From what little glimpses we've had from KW/Hahn on this topic, it seems to be the exact opposite of decisiveness. There is no correlation between being a driven business millionaire and being a good baseball executive. They are not out to make money at all costs they are there to evaluate and accumulate good baseball players. Ventura just signed an extension. There is absolutely no reason to sign another, even if this team was playing well. Who cares what the media says. The worst thing they could do is run the team based on media reaction. Well, maybe not the worst. The worst may be listening to fans. You're arguments are really starting to get away from anything baseball and are starting to sound personal. They are getting more creative but stick to the baseball reasons.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 11:23 AM) "Ride the Stone Pony" is next year's ad campaign. No. That's a really bad visual.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 11:51 PM) Not good at pitch framing, haha. Seriously, that would be a clubhouse where it might work for 2-3 months, but he doesn't have the right type of personality for managing in today's environment. In the end, he's better off in broadcasting. Sandy Alomar, Jr., or Joel Skinner or even McEwing would be much better choices. Parent was a catcher as well, but haven't seen anything to be extremely impressed from his tenure with the organization. Anything besides Buddy Bell would be a step in the right direction. No to Konerko, Thome, Rowand, DJ...and Steve Stone is too comfortably situated from a financial standpoint to do anything but front office work if he was to leave the broadcasting booth. That might be one of the problems for Ventura...being too comfortable, in the sense that his family will still be set for life no matter how long his tenure as a manager lasts, compared to someone like a Clint Hurdle who didn't make nearly enough as a player (and with pensions now, it's QUITE comfortable) to set up both his children and grandchildren for life. He doesn't have the right personality for anyone to like him enough to offer him the job. Alomar or Skinner would be my choices from your list.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 26, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) Did you see the item about the guy who was put under anaesthesia for his colonoscopy? He secretly recorded the session on his i phone and discovered the doctor was mocking him, making rude remarks and jokes and generally abusing him verbally while he was under anaesthesia. It has made me wonder about the behavior of medical personnel nowadays. To any of you in the business ... is this commonplace with renegade doctors/anaestehsiologists? Do they mock patients all the time while they are under? Are doctors and nurses giving their best efforts during our heart surgeries and other operations or do they mess with patients all the time?? I have a buddy who just had a double bypass. He was intense pain a day after surgery. His son asked the surgeon assistant, "My dad wonders why the pain medication isn't working well." The assistant said, "He has no pain medication; he didn't ask for it." The son angrily said, "He's asking for it now." They didn't even ask him if he was in pain and wanted medication. Is this common? He also said the nurses did not offer to clean him up with a sponge shower until the son asked. The man had all this surgical goop on him, etc. Also the son said they were moving him around too forcibly, his dad in obvious pain. I know paying for medical care is an issue and through the roof, but what about the PERFORMANCE of doctors and nurses. Is it good in America and in your hospitals or shoddy? Is abuse/joking about people going on while they are under? Never seen it in nearly 30 years as a PT/ATC and I've been in plenty of operating rooms. My experience has mostly in athletics however so my experience is mostly with orthopedic surgeons not internal med guys. you can bet they all are giving their best efforts if only from a liability/law suit perspective. However, don't you need to have a "special" sense of humor to perform colonoscopies on a regular basis?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 10:38 PM) You teed it up there for me. I LOVE AJP and I think he'd be worth a shot as manager if we have to go the former Sox player route. Teed it up for me as well. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:19 PM) I was thinking about something the other day. The current generation of 20 somethings to young 30 somethings are members of the generation that could do no wrong as kids. When they played competitive sports it was OK to suck and OK to lose. These are the same people who quit jobs after a year or so and move on to another firm or profession when the jobs aren't fun or what they expected. We've been told the current generation is seeking easy street ASAP and can't understand work ethic like previous generations. My psychological question is why hasn't this moved over to sports? We expect a ton from our young athletes. College football and basketball players get ripped in the press and by fans when they don't perform well. Guys in big league baseball from the Participation Trophy Generation get ripped and are expected to produce lest they get reamed by media and fans. My question is ... why do we expect this age group to perform like the Pete Rose age group? Is this a factor in baseball hitters not being as good nowadays or young NBA lottery picks of the last 3-4 years for the most part sucking? Has this filtered to professional sports? I just wondered why fans and media expect so much from young players nowadays when they are from a totally different generation, one not raised to excel and compete as hard as past generations. Also, how can a 20-something fan who was raised that losing is OK and just participating is enough ... how can that fan demand so much from players and even boo players when they were raised that failure is very OK? Please respond if you understand my point. I don't think it really applies to professional athletes. The professional athletes have never had the experience of just a participation trophy as they were always the best every level in everything they did. Most people go their entire youth/high school sports careers without knowing one of these athletes as they are very few and far between. Look at a guy like DJ on the radio. He'll talk about being the best pitcher in every league he played in through high school. These are ratre athletes and never experience what you are discussing.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 01:22 PM) I am not saying Jerry is downstairs on a daily basis in the middle of things like Steinbrenner, but he is the guy who has the final say and gives the orders. I think Kenny and Rick have a relative level of freedom within whatever limits Jerry sets, for sure. But I only have to go back to the stories about Jerry stopping Kenny from firing both Greg Walker and Ozzie Guillen at different points to know who "calls the shots". I think he is heavily involved in "administration." However, i think he let's them do thier jobs with players.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 12:43 PM) I think $$$ has a lot to do with it. He was paid well as an asst. GM. So he is a person who only values money and took a pay increase without any power? Does this really sound like a move JR would do and would he want that person in his organization?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 01:00 PM) From the outside looking it, there is one guy who calls the shots. That is the Chairman. Everyone else works within Jerry's framework. Again, from the plentiful circumstantial evidence, both Kenny and Rick are OK with it. They both could have left if they wanted to do so at many different points. I thought he has always been a "hands off" owners from the players respect, except for the budget. They needed to go to him to approve over budget spending.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) None of you have any idea who is calling the shots in the White Sox front office. Correct. My guess, is it's everybody's input with Hahn having the final say. Just as they used to say it was everybody's input with KW having the final say.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 11:29 AM) There were two competing philosophies about closers. The KW one was to go out and get the established guy, like a Billy Koch....ignoring the fact that Howry, Foulke, Gordon, Takatsu, Hermanson and Jenks were all inexpensive and able to get the job done pretty darned effectively. We saw that trend continue with Sergio Santos, Hector Santiago and Addison Reed...shipping out pitchers from this position and continually trading them to fill in gaps (or try to) in other places. Essentially, copying the Oakland A's way of doing things, which wasn't to sink a ton of money into the closer's spot, and trade those players when they became more expensive. It DEFINITELY SEEMS like a KW move to go after an elite closer like Robertson and do a slight overpay...because it's ignoring that trend which has existed since 2002-2003 with the front office acting out of desperation (just like the Dotel/Linebrink/MacDougal deals). So you've confirmed that Hahn is an idiot for taking a job where he has no power and turning down jobs where he had power. since you've confirmed it, Hahn must go because he is an idiot or like ventura has no real desire to do the job.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) I think it's more of Ken Williams' ideas and Hahn went out and executed those ideas. Too much Williams' M.O. on the last offseason. Entirely Williams' M.O. really. If Hahn was making all of the decisions, we'd see him move in his own direction...this offseason was the same kind of moves Williams' has been making for years. Hahn would need to be a complete idiot to take that job.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) I think it's more of Ken Williams' ideas and Hahn went out and executed those ideas. Too much Williams' M.O. on the last offseason. Entirely Williams' M.O. really. If Hahn was making all of the decisions, we'd see him move in his own direction...this offseason was the same kind of moves Williams' has been making for years. If this is true, you have to fire Hahn as well. Why would you want a person to run your organization who was stupid enough to turn down other GM jobs to take a job where he had no power. If he willingly took a job where KW was calling the shots, I don't want him in my organization.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 10:29 AM) OTOH, with the money involved getting bigger and bigger, it's MUCH easier for those players and families to be together on the road for part of spring training (schools have breaks) and for at least half of the time during the summer. Sure, there are 81 road games, but with the money being what it is, even then....it's not an insurmountable obstacle for families to spend time together during summer vacation as well. Look at the situation with Mark Buehrle and his dogs...complicated, but not insurmountable. There's always a solution when millions of dollars are involved. The solutions are still very few. The families don't travel very often as no kids do very well leaving every 3 days and they can't travel with the team. Most of the players do not make the"millions" Don't forget about the February and March of Spring Training where the kids are in school and can't leave and neither can their fathers. don't forget they also started this in the minors as well. Baseball is not a lifestyle that is easy on a family. It is very difficult to make it work. If you value money over everything else and think it can make it work, you're right for some. However for many it doesn't. Just because they make alot of money doesn't make it an easy life. Their actual life is much more difficult than the average person. That is why many people including me got out of it.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 07:38 PM) It is not the same. As you state, we need a paycheck. Most of them will get one regardless of how they perform. If you have a few bad months, you probably won't survive in your job. Many of them since the age of 22 or so have been doing very well financially. So it is a very different lifestyle than the average person has. Then again, when we screw up at work, it hopefully does not get the same publicity as when they screw up. Imagine if you screw up at work tomorrow and your wife and kids get berated by the neighbors in your driveway on Tuesday. This is true. Most of us don't miss all of our kids little league games, don't get to be there on their birthdays. We don't need to live away from our families for 8 months of the year. It's a pretty easy life for them because of the money.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 26, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) Me and another poster or two have been saying it since the offseason to sell high on him. He is now the definition of one year too late. It would have been throwing the season then. A team cannot expect to content without a solid shortstop. Any idea of trading him was gone when they traded for Shark. They could have traded everyone before that but not after.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jun 26, 2015 -> 06:46 AM) I didn't think there would ever be a player I liked least watching play for the Sox than Adam Dunn. Well, I was wrong because I can't stand LaRoche. I'm not necessarily complaining about his production, which stinks, but his mannerisms in general. He walks around like he thinks he's some kind of bad ass and then tries to stare down the pitcher after every one of his numerous K's. The guy is a clown and I can't wait for him to be gone. It's better than the slumped defeated look from Dunn.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) Plenty of managers would not put the winning run in scoring position Ventura does it regularly. I think he did it 3 times on Sunday.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 04:04 PM) Jesus. Please DFA Gillaspie, Flowers and Ramirez. Not even sure why Bonifacio's on this team. Rodon could have had the win, but huge kudos to Carlos Sanchez for his 2nd game winning RBI. Also, two huge double plays started late on nifty plays by both Carlos and Gordon Beckham at SS. Robertson sure has been shaky the last 12 appearances....almost had his 4th blown save in that span, and 5th overall. But survived thanks to Victor Martinez being PR for by Ausmus late. He isn't going to get many wins throwing 100 pitches in 5 innings. He leaves too many innings to the bullpen. He's learning though.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:29 PM) well, since you know i am not a professional coach, and a fan like everyone else. in additions, the team on the major side appears to look as they forgot all about the fundamentals, my response is based on those parameters i just stated. btw, do you know for a fact of what they do?? Every player works onthe fundamentals nearly everyday in the minors. At least every team I ever saw that includes white sox minor league teams.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:53 PM) Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler 3h3 hours ago Carson Fulmer woke up with a fever, @mlananna writes, then pitched Vanderbilt to one win away from a national title: http://bit.ly/1N5EqRk That can be dangerous. A fever makes the body tissues more extensible and pliable, thus makes any tissue more susceptible to injury.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:33 AM) Poor relief pitchers/closers. Almost all of em suck after a couple years. Even the Royals' closer now has been on the DL this year and some are calling for Davis to replace Holland. It's a no win job. You will suck after a couple years of greatness unless your name is Rivera. IMO it's because they try to throw too hard too often. Since they are out there for a short period of time, they throw as hard as they can. It's effective in the short term but adversely effects them in the long term.