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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 12:11 AM) You'd guess they would give it to Danks, but what are the odds that either Danks or Floyd will both still be around? Seeing Sale start would be the most exciting, but they probably wouldn't do that to him. Which leads me to the sneaking suspicion it will be Peavy...after a series of Scott Merkin puff pieces hyping his reinvigorated fastball and nastier breaking slider. Actually, based on the way he pitched for the majority of the season, Phil Humber is probably the most deserving over Danks/Floyd. Zach Stewart? Molina? Well you can't expect a pitcher a year removed from rehab for a major injury to be better that would just be silly. People never pitch better after strengthening thier shoulders. So there's no reason to expect him to better this year at all. I'm tired of people ripping a guy who had a major, unique injury to his throwing shoulder for trying to pitch. The guy worked his rear end off trying to help his team and he gets nothing but complaints. I know I've said it before but I would rather have a competitive guy like Peavy who refuses to give up as opposed to a guy like Mark Prior who rfuses to pitch because of soreness in his shoulder.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 11:11 PM) I don't think Kenny is going to do well rebuilding. He has tunnel vision. He sees something he wants and pays whatever to get it. On the other hand he feels that other GMs will do the same. He will leave the meetings tomorrow saying that we don't have to give our players away. Then in a few weeks he will make another token trade for payroll sake, then put a bow on the offseason. His next plan will be to wait until the trading deadline. We will pick up crap for Danks. Marketing will spin the offseason on the rebirth of Dunn, etc. I don't think Dunn, Rios and Beckham could be any worse this year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 09:35 PM) Dunn actually hit better as a DH than he did playing the field. He was 14-122 when playing the field with 60 strikeouts. That pencils out to a .115 average. It truly is amazing how bad he was in 2011. I think he's a lock to improve, but he can improve a bunch and still be bad. Go back to the old faithful sample size arguement. He was obviously uncomfortable all of last year. It may have been the DH, the new league, new pressure environment, surgery early in the season, tkae your pick. I think Ventura is being a good people manager when he is trying to make Dunn a little more comfortable this year.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 03:58 PM) Ventura says Dunn will get more playing time in the field (its all over Twitter), including time in the OF. Again, another example of blatant disregard of advanced metrics, something we saw with Ozzie too (remember 75 pitch Peavy). Advanced statistics have a place in this game weather u were brought up with them or not, they are not just for mid twenties baseball bloggers. If you ignore them you will wind up playing a guy whose is -127.3 career defensive WAR player, the same guy who posted a staggering -37.3 def WAR season in 2010 for the Nats. Dude also owns a career -167 defensive runs above replacement figure (according to Baseball Info Solutions). Can some non archaic baseball thinker (of the media) please ask Robin if he is aware of things like this, even cares to look, and why he would play such an established poor defender in the field more. This isnt rocket science. It may not be rocket science but are looking at it from a very narrow point of view. His defensive stats are awful but does this outweigh the fact that he will hit better when he plays in the field? you need to look at both sides. also your your point about 75 pitch Peavy is short sighted. If he doesn't pitch more than that he will never build up strength thus he would never be able to pitch more than that. He was coming off a major injury and needed to build up the strength. You can quote stats all you want and most have some validity (but not reliability) to them. However you also need to look at the player as well and there may be a better way to look at it. As any researcher knows I can create any statistical model to say what I want, it doesn't mean it is generalizable to every case.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 08:07 PM) If KW was to give up on Ethier,Street, Gonzalez, Hudson, Wallace and Nelson Cruz like the overrated guy has, this site would be b****ing for many years.. Also, since he traded away C Gonzalez, he got nothing for Haren as well. Like it isn't now?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 09:21 AM) Yeah... but they didn't come out this year with a high payroll because the team sucked. Chances are, the White Sox will be bad the next couple of seasons... might as well do so cheaper. I agree with you. However, the people who control the money still need to take it into consideration. It's not as cut and dry as we see it. Unfortunately, I think this will be the reason behind some of the odd decisions we may see in the next couple of weeks.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 09:11 AM) ...because if you move both of them, feigning interest in competing in 2012... and spending a ton of money to do so (on Mark Buehrle) would be entirely moronic on all fronts. Not on all fronts. As I said earlier keeping the fans a little happy does need to be a consideration otherwise you may cut off a major revenue source.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 4, 2011 -> 10:27 PM) Besides what others have already said, I wouldn't care who is on the team. I'd go to games anyway. I'm a fam of the team, not the players. Having those two would clearly mean a better team, but only slightly better. Not much difference in my mind between .500 and last place. Most of us on this board feel this way. However, this is not the way all of the regular fans see it. If the regular fans get disgusted with the rebuilding process and don't show up the revenue will drop and it will greatly effect the way the team is run. This may change the way the team is run that is different from our view or the"ideal" way it should be run.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 07:34 AM) Honestly. I think a lot of people here are going to be disappointed with the returns the Sox get in deals. that's an understatement. It's tough to remember many people liking any of KW's trades. Even the ones that work out in the long run.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 05:01 PM) I think he'll get fined for this one. It is alcohol which is a drug technically. I have no problem with it, though. But some will say if he had one shot, he probably really had 5-6 and might have been impaired. It is a legal drug so there won't be much trouble. Just like if he took ibuprofen, it's a drug but it's legal. Unless he has already been suspended for a substance abuse problem the league won't do anything.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 01:31 AM) That is incredibly revisionist. A lot of people were complaining then about the lift and pull offense. Either way, Dick Allen gets credit here. Most believed that no teams would have interest in Walker after he left. The idea that all he taught was "lift and pull" was wrong. Some of us said so at the time. Those were the types of players he had and he was working with their strengths. I believe that some of the biggest complaints this year were that not enough players were pulling the ball and there was a decrease in power. He obviously was not getting through to players this year or that they didn't want to listen. Maybe they were tired of Ozzie and they thought he was an Ozzie guy. Who knows but Walker is well respected in baseball and will get a job if he wants one.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:27 PM) I sure hope Ventura doesn't try to pull a pitcher and signal for a lefty instead of a righty...oops! Or pull a pitcher without one having warmed up. Ventura was actually the person who gave Bevington the solution to that one. They brought in a cold pitcher to intentionally walk a guy thus not stressing his arm, while they had another warm up in the pen.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 07:53 PM) Haha, add that to the stretches. Let's bring Connie Mack back up. That was a relevant addition as well. My sweet Lord... Terry Bevington was a 3rd base coach.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 07:19 PM) Spend years of your life learning how to coach on a major league bench from a distinguished manager. No interview. Spend years of your life sitting in your living room or playing catch with your kids. You're hired. Accountability at the White Sox finest Mike Quade spent 20 years managing in the minors.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 07:22 PM) The fact is that they were both coaches, and Girardi was a bench coach. Robin Ventura had a lull of about 8 years after his playing career until he was hired as a manager. Hey, he coached 7th grade girls basketball for his daughter's team! Oh wait ....MLB players are worse behaved than 12 year old girls.

QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 06:10 PM) I can't tell with most of clowns Reinsdorf has hired That's true. Every ownership has teams with at least 7 championships

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:07 PM) I asked for carlton Fisk and anyone who joined me was closer in reality than any of you other jokers - er I mean Soxtalk posters. It's the organizational thing. I look forward to success in 2012. KW said one of the requirements was that the manager get along with everyone not no one. Fisk would never be in consideration for manager.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) We should've hired Jose Valentin, Dan Pasqua, Jeff Abbott, Chris Widger, or Greg Norton then. I'm sure they've all had as much coaching experience as Ventura while also having played the game. At least he knows where to get mail order drugs

QUOTE (Real @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 11:52 PM) Ozzie quit. Oh, it was already mentioned, the rest is irrelevant. Ozzie supporters, the 2-3 of you that are left, defend that s*** please. haha I expect deflection of the question though In defense of Ozzie, I think he is a good manager and will do well in Miami. However, he wore out his welcome here and it was time for him to go. He has a polarizing personality and he will always have a shelf life at any managerial position. He won't enjoy the same tolerance with Loria that he had with KW and JR. I see him in Miami no more than 5-6 years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 08:14 PM) I honestly believe if Ozzie and his cabal keep quiet, he wins his battle with Kenny. He blew it by having Cowardly troll his extension request in public. I really think Ozzie is dumb enough to think that Chicago was going to be upset at the prospect of losing him, and that was how he would win against Kenny. I don't think Ozzie wins. JR has a history of siding with the GM who built the team (Krause) not the coach (Phil Jackson). I think it his philosophy that it is truly the players you are the most important part of the equation. That's why he keeps coaches and GM's so long. The next most important part is the GM who puts the players together. The least important is the coach of the players. This is why he prefers stability in management.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 26, 2011 -> 09:40 PM) I don't even like ozzie as a person, and I'm sure many here don't. We can be happy about this. I'm not sure how many times you've met him but Ozzie is a good guy and is a lot of fun at a night out drinking. I know it was time for him to go and most people on this board did not like him as a manger, but to say you don't like him as a person is very superficial unless you have spent some time with him.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 25, 2011 -> 04:18 PM) He always struck me as being in the mold of Ozzie, although better. I think he was more a recipient of incredible talent than being a great manager (Phil Jackson). I want to go in a completely new direction. Yes but none of them had as much of an ego or is as much of an a@@ as Jackson. Jackson's success was more player talent driven than anyone. The guy divorced his wife and started dating the owner's daughter in LA just to get the GM fired to take his GM position.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 16, 2011 -> 12:16 PM) Who would you assemble from this site to coach our beloved Sox? (GM) NorthSideSox72 - Solid understanding of players and leagues - Good with numbers - Thinks short & long term (Manager) lostfan - Has the ability to lead - Excellent communication skills - I think he'd be a good motivator - Brutally honest (Pitching Coach) fathom - Seems to know what he's talking about when it comes to pitching - Has watched more innings pitched than anyone on this site (Hitting Coach) southsideirish71 - Would not use a batting tee for players - Would remind hitters this isn't the NL (Advanced scouts) Kalapse, chw42, Jordan4Life, Greg Hibbard - The stat heads (Team trainer) ptatc - Only medic on this site that I'm aware of (Team beat writer) bozzie - speaks in 3rd person - loves writing about the team (Southpaw) greg775 - good at cheerleading (Beer vendor) knightni - will be fired in mid-April for consuming large quantity of beer while working (Batboy) Reddy - Only Soxtalk member that is within height/weight restrictions for Sox batboys Thanks, I appreciate the vote. However, been there done that. Unless you pay me Hefe Weizen (alot too.) I'm not going back to that job.

Chris Snopek I have his game worn green jersey, cap and socks from a spring training game.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 02:31 PM) It's impossible for a manager to both motivate a group of underachieving veterans and teach young players? Usually. Most managers find they relate to one much more than the other. I usually like the ones that help and teach the young guys and have a veteran leader "police" the veterans. To do this you need to have a GM who realizes this and brings in "character" veterans. I also do not like micromanagers. Allow the players to play.